THE ACCRESCENT™ PODCAST EPISODE 262

Leigh Ann Lindsey (00:01.154)
Well, Dr. Myers, welcome to The Accrescent Podcast.

Amy Myers MD (00:04.718)
Thanks so much for having me. I’m really excited to be here.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (00:07.443)
This is fun because I know that you have a new edition of your book, The Autoimmune Solution, coming out this month, maybe?

Amy Myers MD (00:15.852)
It was supposed to come out this month and actually I’ve I’ve delayed it till January to get a few things on my side ready. So it’ll be out in January and here very shortly, probably in well, I don’t know when this will come out, you know, we’ll start to have the link for the pre-orders and all the stuff. So revised edition, revised and expanded edition.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (00:22.123)
Okay.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (00:31.006)
Yes. good. Well we’re we’re getting like an extra sneak peek.

Yeah, which I love because I think you know the there’s so much information coming out every single year and we’re learning so much, which is amazing. to be able to update your book with everything you’ve learned since you first launched it is fantastic. So, but I am gonna rewind us in case this is any of our listeners’ first time getting introduced to you, and I know you’ve probably shared it a million times, but a little bit of your backstory and some of the key

Amy Myers MD (00:51.084)
Yes.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (01:03.424)
Life experiences that brought you to where you are today.

Amy Myers MD (01:07.55)
Yes. So I was raised by parents who were of I grew up in the 70s and they didn’t look like hippies, but they sort of were. My mother meditated, taught yoga. my father was a college professor, and we ate whole food. my mother made homemade whole wheat bread, yogurt. She knew about the microbiome back then. We had a garden if we ever got sick, which was pretty rare.

we would take Chinese herbs. And so I grew up very holistically from that standpoint. And I remember being very interested in biology and medicine and all that stuff. Fast forward, I went away to college. I actually was a psychology major, thought I was gonna do that, and then realized I didn’t want to do it, joined the Peace Corps, read a book by Dr. Andrew Weil while I was on the plane going down to South America for two years.

And it was spontaneous healing. And I thought it was really, really cool. I got very into medicinal herbs with the with the farmers in Paraguay, which is where I was, and taught myself yoga and meditation and all these things that my mother had been doing. And decided when I got back from the Peace Corps, I wanted to go to naturopathic school, naturopathic medical school. And I was not a science major, so I had to go back and do all the prerequisites. And I was living out in Seattle thinking I would eventually go to.

medical – I mean, naturopathic medical school and saw that even naturopathic doctors were treating themselves differently than than alleopathic doctors and not regarding them as equal. And I thought, well if that’s the case in Seattle and this school is supposed to be the top school, how is going to be viewed everywhere else? So fast forward I my mother ended up with pancreatic cancer that same year. I moved back to New Orleans. She passed away very suddenly

Leigh Ann Lindsey (02:55.266)
Wow.

Amy Myers MD (02:55.382)
And I only applied to alleopathic medical schools, did all my electives and integrative health. And my second year of medical school, I started getting a tremor and weight loss and insomnia and panic attacks, and finally went to the doctor because I, you know, had never I was 30 and didn’t have any health issues that I was aware of.

And she brushed me off, told me that it was medical school stress. I was a typical second year medical student learning everything and thinking I had it all. And I looked at this woman like, no, no, no, no, no. I have been through some things in my 30 years young. I my mother has passed away. I was in the Peace Corps. I mean, I’ve never handled stress this way. This is not stress. I want a full workup. And I didn’t leave until she agreed and she called me back a few weeks later and said I had Graves disease.

Which is, as many of your listeners may know, the autoimmune condition where your thyroid is overactive. And that was what was causing all my symptoms. I was given several choices. I took what I thought was actually I went back to my roots and did Chinese medicine at first, and it was not doing anything. And I searched high and low for someone like myself, functional medicine. You know, I even reached out to Andrew Weil saying, yeah, I had done a

elective with him my fourth year medical school and just said, you know, hey, do you know anybody? Like nobody was doing this. Nobody was getting to the root cause at that time. This was, you know, 25 years ago, 27 years ago. And so nobody was really doing functional medicine back then. And so ultimately I took PTU and I got toxic hepatitis. So I nearly had to drop out of medical school. I thought I was going to die.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (04:37.399)
Yeah.

Amy Myers MD (04:41.562)
And because I had to go off the medications and I was very hyperthyroid. And if anybody’s ever experienced insomnia, it is one of the worst things in the world. Like true insomnia, like literally not being able to fall asleep. It’s it’s truly one of the worst things in the world. And long story short, ended up having my thyroid ablated because that was all that conventional medicine knew how to do. Fast forward, I finished medical school. I became an emergency physician because I

was looking everywhere for what is now functional medicine, but it didn’t exist. And I knew that’s what I wanted to do, but I couldn’t find it. So I said to myself, well, if I can’t ever figure it out, at least I could do international health. I enjoyed the Peace Corps. I do believe obviously if you get a gunshot wound or you’re in a in a car accident or have a heart attack, going to the emergency room is something we are good at as alleopathic physicians. And so anyway, I went into emergency medicine and

Practiced emergency medicine and then eventually went to a conference where I heard Mark Hyman speak and it just clicked. It was like, functional medicine. That’s what I’ve been looking for the entire time. It’s getting to the root, it’s seeing the body as a whole. So I just walked up to him afterwards. I had no idea who he was. And at that point, he was already fairly famous, not you know, to where he is now, but people said, he’s harder to talk to than Oprah. I said, Well, I’ll just stand here.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (06:03.544)
Mm-hmm.

Amy Myers MD (06:03.57)
And we met and he became a mentor and I just dove straight into functional medicine right after that and eventually got out of the ER, opened my own practice, wrote a few books, started my own supplement company and here we are, or here I am. Here we are together.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (06:17.044)
Yes. Exactly. I mean, was autoimmunity I imagine there’s so many things you’ve experienced as a doctor working with patients. What drew you to autoimmunity specifically? Was it really your experience with Graves?

Amy Myers MD (06:32.47)
It was my own story. I mean, I I just had a I mean, honestly, a magical, I’ve had a magical career to to to be frank. You know, I got on the scene pretty early with functional medicine. And, you know, every door just went from starting with, you know, Mark Hyman saying, Come on up, shadow me, you know, I’ll be a mentor to you, to someone introducing me to their book publisher, to their book editor. I mean, you know, literally kind of the red carpet got rolled out.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (06:56.385)
Wow.

Amy Myers MD (07:00.038)
And so initially when I was meeting with the person that became my book editor, they wanted me to do a functional medicine book. And I and I said, I don’t know. I don’t I’m not sure if that’s what I want to write about. And so I just started blogging and I just found my passion in autoimmunity because of my own health story and how I had been, I say I was failed by conventional medicine and is my mission to not have it fail you too. And so I just started writing about out autoimmunity, and that’s what I became passionate about because of my own story.

And then, of course, you know, wrote the autoimmune solution. well, I wrote it 12 years ago now, and it was published 11 years ago now, and it became an instant New York Times bestseller. I mean, I personally would argue it’s still the go-to book for autoimmunity if you’re looking for an alternative path. Because I mean, it it took me 10 years to convince my editors to let me revise the book because it still continues to sell very well. And people have asked me, you know, have the fundamentals

Of what I wrote in the book changed. And no, they haven’t. I didn’t change the diet. I didn’t change, you know, the factors that contribute to or lead to autoimmunity. But what has changed is our world. We’ve had COVID. We’ve had the COVID vaccinations. People have been exposed to COVID. And so that’s a huge thing that has changed. And so I added that. And then something else that I just saw time and time again in my clinic that I didn’t recognize when I first wrote the book because I was so new in my clinic.

was trauma and trauma’s relation to virtually all chronic illnesses. And you know this very well, you know, cancer, but cancer and autoimmunity and and the role that trauma plays. And so the last pillar of the four pillars of the Myers way is healing your infections, relieving stress. And I added letting go of trauma. And so I have an entire, you know, section about trauma and its role in in autoimmunity. And then of course what’s changed is the world is

Come on the scene is all the things that we have that can help to heal autoimmunity that are not just diet and lifestyle. We have the things like you’re doing, the EVOX. We have, you know, the subconscious component. We have the emotional component. We have plasmapheresis that everybody and their brother is doing now because clinics are popping up to, you know, hyperbaric oxygen, to infrared sauna, to

Amy Myers MD (09:18.782)
SOT therapy, IV therapy, ozone, I mean, you name it, I’ve tried it and used it with my patients over the years as well. And those were things that were not either available or were not readily available when I first wrote the book. And so the good news is there’s a lot more tools in the toolkit to help get people to reverse their autoimmunity. So that was a long answer to your to your question, but I hope that’s okay.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (09:39.233)
Yeah, I’m excited. Yeah, no, it’s perfect. We love it. And we love to go deep here. So it’s great. I I think I’d love to start with some of the foundations from the original edition. Again, just for anyone who is new or hasn’t read the book to cover some of those foundations. And then I do really want to spend a little bit of time on COVID because that is just such a big factor here. And I’m even I have some loved ones who are experiencing some.

Really severe health issues now a couple years after getting the vaccine. So I think there’s a really interesting conversation there. and then maybe some of your favorite modalities that have come up on the scene since writing that original book. But let’s start with those foundations that you wrote about 12 years ago that still hold true when it comes to autoimmunity.

Amy Myers MD (10:28.174)
Sure. So, you know, in the book, I have four pillars and they are to heal your gut, get rid of gluten, grains, and legumes, tame your toxins. And then we talked about heal your infections. And when I say infections, these are latent infections such as herpes, Epstein-Barr, and of course COVID and long COVID. And then

Relieve your stress and let go of trauma. And so just, you know, we know and we’ve known for many years now with the research of Alessio Fasano, the role of intestinal permeability or leaky gut in autoimmunity. And so there’s this thought process that you, you know, have to have a leaky gut. Then perhaps there’s a genetic pre predisposition, although we know that there are a lot of people with autoimmunity now.

as as well as cancers, right, that are getting them that don’t actually he have the genetics for it. And then you have some sort of antecedent meeting a trigger. So that could be something like a you know have mono or you could have COVID or you could have a death. My mother died right before my autoimmune condition. Very suddenly within a year I got my autoimmune condition. And so

There are various triggers that can happen or multiple triggers, right? That finally you have a cup of water, which is your body, and you’re putting in all these different inputs, and eventually that overflows and maybe you get diagnosed. So even though that last input was the death of my mother, that wasn’t the only thing that led to my autoimmunity. I had been a vegetarian for 27 years. I was in the Peace Corps every Wednesday for three months, was vaccination day. I

you know, was eating. I had I have mutations at MTHFR, COMT, GSTM1. I don’t detox well. So I had mercury overload. I mean, you name it, I’ve probably had it. I apparently have underlying Lyme, Epstein-Barr. so anyway, healing your gut and then, you know, g changing our diet, getting rid of gluten grains and legumes. Gluten has been hybridized, genetically modified it or

Amy Myers MD (12:43.362)
wheat has, so we have much more gluten in it. We also know, again, through the work of Alessio Fasano, that in everybody, if you eat gluten, it creates a leaky gut. Literally everybody. But many people, you know, our gut cells turn over very quickly. So people can heal that. But if you have a gluten sensitivity or genetic predisposition towards celiac, maybe you don’t heal your gut right away. Or if you’re eating way too much of it, then maybe you’re not allowing your body time to heal your gut. And so

Leigh Ann Lindsey (12:54.584)
wow.

Amy Myers MD (13:12.236)
We know that when you eat gluten, it triggers, I like to think of the gut as or our small intestines as as a drawbridge. We normally our gut is semi-permeable where we can absorb, digest, and absorb teeny tiny particles, micronutrients. And that’s how we, you know, absorb our amino acids and and micronutrients. But when gluten comes and attaches to these tight junctions, it opens them up.

And then they stay open like a drawbridge. And then these large boats that were never meant to get in get in. And so that can be gluten itself, that could be casein, that could be the Epstein bar molecule. That could be the co you know, spike protein, that could be heavy metals. These things get in, and our immune system’s sitting right there. Our the gut layer is only one cell layer thick. And so our immune goes on high alert. It goes to attack these foreign invaders. And then worse.

We have something called molecular mimicry. So our thyroid molecule looks very similar to our the gluten molecule. So when you eat gluten and you have a leaky gut, then your immune system can go to attack it, but mistakenly attack your thyroid gland molecules. And then that is one of the ways that we believe that you get Hashimoto’s graves and autoimmune condition of your thyroid is through this case of mistaken identity or molecular mimicry.

And so that’s why I have you getting off, you know, gluten, dairy, these things can cause molecular mimicry. I, for at least 30 days, depending on how long it takes somebody to get well, get them off all grains and legumes. Again, I was a vegetarian for 27 years, so that was pretty hard. And, you know, these can be very irritating. They can cause leaky gut. Many people that have chronic health conditions have SIBO, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, or candida.

when you’re eating these carbs, even the healthy carbs, they feed these conditions. So there’s it’s a multitude of ways of why I get people off of these foods. Tame your toxins. So, you know, the the outdoor air quality sometimes is even better than our indoor air quality. I mean, I can get all into that, but you know, looking at what we’re putting on our body, in our body, what we’re breathing, what we’re drinking, what we’re eating,

Amy Myers MD (15:32.951)
Looking at these latent infections, like I said, Epstein-Barr, herpes, cytomegalovirus. I added COVID in into the into the revised edition, relieving stress. You know, I don’t say getting rid of your stress. We all have stress. So it’s finding ways, as you know, to deal with your stress so that it’s, you know, not causing heightened reactions. Having long-term chronic stress can actually suppress our immune system.

And then the trauma, you know, we have we now have identified that the ACE score, you know, which is a a s a score of childhood traumas, the higher that score, the more likely you are to end up with a chronic health condition. And that’s really only looking at certain traumas and certain traumas in childhood. And we all live very long lives and we don’t just have, you know, a few traumas, and they’re not only just in childhood, they go throughout our lives. And so, you know.

that’s really even probably really underestimating things because it’s only coming from childhood and it’s looking at pretty, you know, significant traumas like starvation or actual abuse, right? It’s not looking at like neglect, like maybe you had parents that were staring at their phone all day or worked or weren’t around. I mean, this is really looking at true abuse and not looking at these more subtle types of of trauma that we can have and some of the more what we call little T’s over the big T’s.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (16:36.004)
Right.

Amy Myers MD (16:55.426)
So anyway, that’s, you know, all of those principles still still stand. You know, nothing has changed. In fact, not to make everybody, you know, get up in arms here, but the world has only gotten worse in frankly all of these ways, right? In terms of processed food, in terms of toxins, in terms of our exposure to things, EMFs. So, you know, it’s even more pertinent that we you know, look at these things because they’re in the last

ten, eleven years have only even gotten more significant in our lives.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (17:29.609)
Mm-hmm. Something I want to point out that I think might be in a weird way encouraging is you I think you had a childhood maybe different from other people where you weren’t eating like Campbell’s chicken soup and Kraft mac and cheese, like a lot of people were, you know, and Wonder white bread. And I think sometimes you see people who feel like you have to have the kind of childhood you did in order to be healthy.

And so in a weird way, the fact that you had, I think, a healthier, more holistic childhood and still ended up with an autoimmune disease is actually weirdly encouraging, which is like it’s not about living a perfect life. And if you live a perfect life, you’re gonna prevent this. We’re all gonna get exposed. That’s just the reality of the world we live in today. We’re gonna get exposed to toxins, infections, stress and trauma. And so it’s not about necessarily.

trying to mitigate exposure to all of these things forever. But being able to understand how yes, mitigate it, but you know, not not like the only way I can be healthy is to never have anything happen to me.

Amy Myers MD (18:37.782)
Yeah, I mean, I can only speak, you know, to to my own childhood. And of course, I I have a child who’s who’s nine. And so I can speak to how I’m raising her and my advice that I give to people. I mean, I tell people now that I understand my SNPs and my genetics, I mean, it it’s unbelievable that I didn’t end up with autism or something, you know, because of all the vaccines that I got and not knowing my MTHFR status and being a vegetarian and not taking extra B vitamins. I mean,

it to me it’s actually kind of a testament to the fact that because I did live so healthy as a child, we only got sugar once a year, you know, at Christmas, with, you know, some cereals and things like that. And because I, you know, no, white bread was never in existence. White rice was never in existence. My mother made homemade whole wheat bread. I ate white ri I mean brown rice, you know, for many, many years. And so I think it’s because, you know, I took

vitamins as a kid and things like that. And it’s I was able because my parents did treat me so healthy that I probably didn’t end up with something even worse much sooner. but you know, what I tell people is absolutely you can’t live a perfect life. I mean, it’s it’s utterly impossible. And then, you know, the people that I my my upbringing might have sounded strict, but it didn’t seem strict. There were not all of the junk foods and the things that we have now. I mean, like I remember a TV dinner coming out.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (19:31.63)
Yeah.

Amy Myers MD (19:58.135)
while I was a child. Like I remember it being like a new thing and like frozen dinners. And I remember my parents, you know, would go out frequently and we would have babysitters. And my brother loved those frozen meals. And I thought they were disgusting. Like I refused to eat them. So like I remember very vividly like kind of and then like we would take car trips to drive between where my parents were from and where we grew up. And there were very few fast food places. And

My brother liked McDonald’s and I refused to eat it. So I mean, there were just certain things that like I just did not like. And so, you know, they would have to pack me a lunch and stuff. I was a very picky eater. Anyway, what I’m doing and what I recommend for people is that you do the best you can in your house, right? Have filtered water. How do you get toxins in? Through you you breathe them in. So have HEPA filters in your home, buy non-toxic furniture if you can, right? And use non-toxic cleaning products.

How you drink them in, you ingest them in. So make sure you have filtered water and you’re drinking or and you’re eating organic food. And then you get it in through your skin. So make sure that you are using, like I said, clean cleaning products and clean shampoos and soaps and makeup and all that stuff. And so that’s what we do in our house. I mean, we we have all of that and frankly, a lot more in my house. And then I have a nine-year-old kid. I mean, she didn’t know what dessert was till she was at least five.

And she really didn’t know what like Doritos or any of those things were until she was definitely, you know, well into school age. And so I don’t let her eat Doritos, but it’s a matter of going out into the world. And when you’ve done everything really well and controlled it the best you can in your house, then you go out and then you make the best choices that you can.

So we eat say Siete instead of Doritos. But now they make Doritos that don’t have I’m not suggesting people eat Doritos. There’s all kinds of problems with Doritos, but now they do have the dye-free ones. So like if my child was in a situation and every single kid around her was eating Doritos, I’d let her get the dye-free ones. Like to have Doritos, like, you know, has my child ever been to McDonald’s? No, she has not. so

Leigh Ann Lindsey (21:58.155)
Mm-hmm.

Amy Myers MD (22:12.12)
But you don’t want to be so strict that then they grow up and they just go the exact opposite way. Cause I had people like that in my class, right? That once they went off to college, they just went haywire because they were you know, they were deprived of these things. And so I don’t deprive my child of that. I bring a gluten-free, dairy-free cupcake when we go to a birthday party. But there are just times where I just say, Yeah, you can have that, you know, you can have a sugar-free Gatorade. I mean, she’s had like five in her entire life or something like that.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (22:42.282)
Mm-hmm.

Amy Myers MD (22:42.604)
But that’s probably the only food dye she’s ever had. But I I make like little choices of like, yeah, this is a scenario where I don’t want you to feel left out. What’s the healthiest choice we can make in this particular situation?

Leigh Ann Lindsey (22:56.065)
And I think the encouraging thing is there are many, many more options now than there were before, which is really, really fantastic. So

Amy Myers MD (23:00.995)
So many.

Yeah, I mean, we kind of swung from like when I was little. There was not a lot of junk. I mean, I I, you know, I was born in 69. So, you know, in early 70s, there was not a lot of junk. We, my parents cooked dinner every night, right? And so, and then we swung to all this junk. And now people are realizing all the stuff and all of this junk, and there’s a shift, a movement back to at least like healthier options within this realm of things, right?

Leigh Ann Lindsey (23:27.675)
Right. Right. Yeah, exactly. So a question I was really excited to ask you is it seems like whatever the autoimmunity is, whether it’s, you know, Hashimoto’s or Crohn’s or Graves or any number of different things, all of these four pillars are present for most of them.

And so what I’m so curious about is why do you think these, you know, infections and toxins and stress are manifesting for Joe as Hashimoto’s, but they’re manifesting for Beth as Crohn’s? Like what is kind of it’s kind of like it’s all inflammation. Why is inflammation for one person manifesting as eczema versus someone else a different one?

Amy Myers MD (24:15.106)
Well, I don’t think anybody knows the answer to that question. I mean, I I like to pose it the other way, which is I could have three people coming in with Hashimoto’s or three people coming in with rheumatoid arthritis. And I don’t go and say, okay, it’s well, I can say it is gluten for every one of those because of what we know with molecular mimicry and autoimmunity. So that is why I never advise, no matter how far you work yourself down the autoimmune spectrum, that you ever add gluten back in. But

If you have a history of autoimmunity. But that’s where for one person it could be heavy metals, Lyme and and gluten. And for someone else, it could be gluten and trauma, or someone else it could be gluten and stress. So I think that’s where genetics perhaps plays a role, where SNPs play a role. maybe if you want to go so far-fetched as where trauma might have played a role that trauma you know.

Some, you know, say I can’t think of anything in my own life, because I actually do speak up and and state my opinion. But, you know, a lot of people say thyroid, it’s it’s a it’s a problem where people don’t feel comfortable speaking up. You know, it’s in your throat, it’s your throat chakra. So that’s the multi-gazillion dollar question. I don’t think anybody has the answer to that. But I love to share this story about a patient that I had that had vitiligo, and she was a

Interpreter. She had come from a from Africa. I don’t remember the country. And she had escaped on asylum and a lot of really bad stuff had happened to her. And so she decided to become an interpreter for other women who escaped for us from asylum with asylum and came to this country. And as an interpreter, you have to say, I this, I that, because you are interpreting exactly what the person said. You don’t get to say, they this, they that.

And so she was telling me these horrific stories of what had happened to her and what, you know, I said, give me some examples of what you have to say for your job. And it was basically taking on these people’s traumas because she was saying, I this, I that, right? Of and then whatever happened. And I said, I, you know, really admire you for the job that you’re doing, but I do believe this is contributing to your autoimmunity. I believe because you were saying I

Leigh Ann Lindsey (26:24.461)
Yeah.

Amy Myers MD (26:32.884)
You are taking this on as if it happened to you and your immune system believes this is happening to you. And this is a critical piece in your vitiligo. She of course got angry at me and left and, you know, didn’t want to quit her job because, you know, what she was doing was full of purpose, which I understand. And then I got a call. I don’t remember if it was a year or two later, and she said she eventually did quit her job and her vitiligo had resolved and reversed. So I think that that’s, you know, particularly for this conversation today, a really poignant story to tell about

Leigh Ann Lindsey (26:47.759)
Yeah.

Amy Myers MD (27:03.116)
you know, trauma can even be not our own trauma, right? It can be our our own perceived trauma.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (27:08.737)
A hundred percent. I mean, this is even where you talked about the ACE score earlier. And it just it needs to be so much broader because I I work with patients who we’re talking about generational trauma. We’re talking about what was your birth like? You know, is there birth trauma of your first experiences coming into this world? And so, you know, there’s a long way to go, of course, as there is, but yeah, there’s so much that can be encompassed in that that maybe isn’t even necessarily being measured just from the ACE score. But

It’s funny, and it’s a question I like to ask because to your point, we don’t necessarily know the answer of why is chronic inflammation manifesting for me as breast cancer, but for you as colon cancer and for you as Crohn’s, et cetera, et cetera. And I d I personally believe there’s an emotional component to it, which is, and I think Chinese medicine speaks to this a little bit, you know, those emotions are weakening certain areas of the body, and is inflammation kind of

looking for those weak points and affecting those weak points more. And for me in my practice, when someone comes in, whatever their diagnosis is, tells me a lot about what might be going on emotionally. So there’s lots and lots of patterns, emotional patterns, trauma patterns I see based on diagnoses too. But I like to ask the question because I think it’s something maybe we’re all wondering. So it’s fascinating. So what I want to pivot to for a second is

What are some of the new additions? And then we’ll probably start to get into these more and more. And doing some research into you before this conversation, one of the things that you had talked about was there’s a lot more autoimmune diseases being recognized or identified. And I’d love to just hear from you a little bit what some of those might be. Like 12 years ago when you wrote the book, what are maybe some new diagnoses that are now being recognized and diagnosed in the autoimmune field?

Amy Myers MD (29:08.854)
Well, I mean, to be honest with you, as I was revising the book, the numbers really haven’t changed. And so I think that’s probably more a reflection of, well, I mean, I guess they the the numbers of of different things that perhaps are on a spectrum. You know, I alluded to before about autism, you know, I mean, still hasn’t fully been classified as an autoimmune condition, but it’s certainly on the inflammatory spectrum, right? I mean, I think we’re

recognizing now things such as endometriosis and you know that that that they’ve reclassified some of these names in terms of autoimmunity. But I’m trying to think along the spectrum of of very specific ones. I don’t know that we have ones that are of like this is classically, you know, definitely an autoimmune condition, but I think that there’s a lot of things that we’re recognizing, such as Alzheimer’s as being, you know,

They call it like the the third diabetes, right? And that we’re recognizing that there’s not only a gut barrier, but there’s a, you know, that there is, there can be leaky brain as well. And inflammation is really the root cause of that. So I don’t have a specific for you in terms of an autoimmune condition or something that wasn’t considered autoimmune, that absolutely classically is called autoimmunity now. I think we’re just more realizing as

Leigh Ann Lindsey (30:24.269)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (30:30.775)
Mm.

Amy Myers MD (30:34.952)
As I, you know, stated 11 year 12 years ago, that there’s a spectrum and the autoimmune spectrum, right? And that the higher you’re up on this spectrum, the more likely that you are to get these things. And I remember interviewing Alessio Fasano, I’ve interviewed him several times in in my lifetime. And when I first interviewed him, you know, back in 2010 or 11 or something like that, 12, he suspected that can you know, leaky gut was

a component to cancer as well. But, you know, he had yet to have proved that. And so I interviewed him, I believe it was last year on on my podcast and asked him, you know, have has that come to fruition? Is that something, you know, that that is now in the literature? And he said, absolutely. So I mean, I think we can see these connections across

all chronic conditions now that there’s likely leaky gut. If it’s a brain condition, there’s likely leaky brain. This all leads to inflammation. This all leads to, you know, your immune system going on on high alert, chronic inflammation leading to X, Y, Z, you know, disease. But the precipitating factor all stems back to, as you said, inflammation.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (31:49.196)
Mm-hmm. What? So let’s pivot to some of the updates to the book. And you you laid out some of them, which is we’re just in a more toxic world, but COVID is a huge one of what got introduced. And I’d love to see what some of the research you did on this, how this is impacting our physiology, and maybe even some of the things you’re seeing with patients.

Amy Myers MD (32:13.112)
Well, I I retired clinically when my daughter was born. So I’m not seeing patients. Of course, people reached out during COVID and you know, occasionally I will, you know, see somebody, you know, on the side, but I don’t have my clinical practice any longer. But I think, you know, we we can all the have h heard, I mean, I have heard all kinds of first hand stories and of my colleagues that are practicing, but also, you know, read case studies of people.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (32:15.807)
Okay.

Amy Myers MD (32:42.902)
Either getting COVID or a COVID vaccine, and then very quickly either having a flare of their autoimmune condition that had been very under control. I mean, I think we can say this about cancer as well, people who’d been in remission with their cancers, having their cancers come back and having come back with a vengeance, people who are in remission with their autoimmune condition, having flares, and people having a new onset of autoimmunity and certainly new onset of cancers as well.

And, you know, I I think this leads back to the spike protein and, you know, its role in inflammation. And then you add in the vaccines. I mean, I I have a half sister who was 31 and she was a conventional nurse and she had six COVID vaccines and very quickly got a turbo breast cancer and passed away within a year and a half at at 31. And so

Leigh Ann Lindsey (33:38.063)
Wow. I’m so sorry.

Amy Myers MD (33:41.933)
I just think there’s so many stories like that that it’s it’s really undeniable now. And and the research had been there, right? I mean, the research I was part of a of a journal club when COVID was coming out and before the vaccines were available. And this antigenic priming is something where basically you get one of these mRNA vaccines and then it primes your immune system and almost suppresses it. So

That then when you get another vaccine, or then when you get the illness itself, you’ve actually suppressed the immune system and it allows the the the disease, whatever it is, to be more virulent. And in fact, a lot of studies prior to the mRNA vaccines coming out for COVID were done in monkeys and animals, and they had to stop a lot of the studies because the animals were dying. And

That was all research that I was aware of before the COVID vaccines came out. And we were having a lot of debate about these just, you know, amongst my journal club and other top functional medicine physicians in the in the country, many of which actually, surprisingly, all went and got the vaccine, the COVID vaccines and were big proponents of the vaccine. So it’s quite interesting because we were all aware of and and actively speaking about this research.

And now a lot of this is coming to light. And in in particular with the COVID vaccines, the the research that was very suppressed while, of course, all of this was happening is now is coming to light. And you know, many things are not as suppressed as they were five years ago, six years ago, but it’s showing that many of the surveillance genes that surveil for your immune system, both for

you know, to keep it balanced with autoimmunity as well as with cancer, are actually suppressed when you get a COVID or an mRNA vaccine. And so that is the mechanism now that we believe is happening with many of these turbo cancers. And then there’s there is also research showing the more vaccines you got, you know, the more antigenic priming was happening and the more your immune system was being suppressed and the more your cancer surveillance genes or immune genes

Amy Myers MD (36:01.582)
Cells are being suppressed. So their things are going unrecognized by your immune system. I mean, anecdotally, I took a survey. I had about 50 employees when COVID was happening. And so I did not require anyone to get vaccinated. I’m now open. I wasn’t at the time because it was so taboo, but you know, I did not get a COVID vaccine. and

I was lucky I worked for myself and I was no longer in the emergency room and I was able to make that decision, but I didn’t require it of any of my employees. But of course, if anybody wanted to get it or didn’t want to get it, it’s totally up to them. But I did do a survey and I said, you know, how many times have you been vaccinated and how many times have you gotten COVID? And the more vaccines people had, the more times they had gotten COVID. I mean, that’s just my little cohort of 50 people. Now you can’t just take that at face value because my company was in Texas. A lot of things were open.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (36:52.726)
Yeah.

Amy Myers MD (36:58.552)
During COVID. And one could say, okay, well, people, you know, got vaccinated. And so they were told that they were immune and that they couldn’t spread it. And, you know, all of these things. And of course, you had to have your vaccine card to get into restaurants and other things. And so one could say that they had more risky lifestyles or they were doing more things. And therefore they were, you know, we now know that it didn’t actually protect you from getting COVID. And so could have been that or

Could have been antigenic priming happening. But literally, you know, in this survey that I did of my team, literally the more vaccines, you know, that you had, the more times in every case that the people had gotten COVID themselves. I mean, now at the time I didn’t know all of this about the vaccine myself. I mean, it was speculated and I knew the research in animals, but not humans and all the things. I had a I had

Leigh Ann Lindsey (37:41.999)
Yeah.

Amy Myers MD (37:55.335)
hepatitis B vaccines in the Peace Corps. And then when I returned to the States and decided to go to medical school, they said you need a booster. And I said, I was already clued in at that point. I said, I’d like to check my titers first. I I’ve already had the vaccine. I don’t just want to get another vaccine. So we checked my titers and I wasn’t immune at all. I had had no reaction to the to the vaccine. So I got a booster and

Then we checked my titers again and I still had no immune response to the vaccine. So I already knew, you know, I had this history of autoimmunity that I had put into remission. I had no antibodies. I have weird reactions to or non-reactions to vaccines. I had the ability to work from home and control my environment and all those things. So I wasn’t a flippant, you know, this is all BS. but I just didn’t know, you know, I’d had chronic fatigue before. I mean

you name it, I’ve had it and I thought, I’m gonna be the person that if I get COVID or the vaccine, I’m gonna end up with long COVID. So I’m just gonna do everything I can to avoid it and stay healthy, which is, you know, what I did. And eventually three years later I did get COVID and, you know, I

I I’d use, you know, the FLCC protocol and breezed right through that. But anyway, my point is I’ve I’ve had strange things with vaccinations. And so, you know, I’ve I kind of was taking the approach, not this is terrible, but you know, damned if I do, damned if I don’t. And then, you know, turns out that a lot of the stuff that I was thinking and people were saying is really coming to fruition with my sister being a real perfect example. And I don’t

believe that’s the only reason that she got breast cancer. I never believe anything is just one reason. I do not believe she got this and it was that. She was already, you know, set up, right? Like she was set up with a certain genetic predisposition. She was set up with leaky gut. She was set up with I mean, you know, she she had some other things going on, right? Just like all of us. It’s never one thing. Nobody ever comes to see me and it’s like, you just have leaky gut and we’re done. I mean, it’s like, no, you’ve got some part of all five you know, all four of these of the pillars. You’ve got

Leigh Ann Lindsey (39:55.96)
Right.

Amy Myers MD (40:01.954)
Some or all of them. And so nothing is ever in my world, and I’m sure in yours, nothing is ever just one thing.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (40:09.379)
Completely, yeah. So I wanna highlight what you’re saying here, which is part of what the vaccines are doing specifically is almost downregulating the immune system’s surveillance system. And is that across the board? We we were talking about cancer cells specifically, which might be why cancer cells might be able to kind of thrive and then proliferate and become an issue. But is it down regulating the immune system across the board? Mm-hmm.

Amy Myers MD (40:33.816)
Yes, that that is that is what the research is now showing and why people are ending up with autoimmunity. I mean, we can get into some conspiracy things, you know, about different lots. you know, that perhaps there were different lots that had different amounts of the spike protein, and that is why some people handled things better than others. I, of course, have absolutely, you know, no proof of that. And I don’t even wanna say that that’s even remotely true. These are just things.

You know, when you when you sort of sit on one side of the fence, you hear all versions of things. So that is a version of things that I’ve heard coming out and to check your lot numbers and that, you know, certain lots had much more spike protein in it than the others. I have zero, you know, scientific proof of that, but that is something that’s circulating. And so that could also be part of why certain people are getting sick and other people are not, even within a household, right? You know.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (41:08.066)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (41:23.79)
Yeah.

Amy Myers MD (41:32.276)
it’s potential if that is something that did happen.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (41:35.895)
Yeah. And so is that the main mode of mechanism for why people got the vaccine or got COVID and then are experiencing more health issues? Is the immune surveillance or are there other ways it’s affecting the physiology as well?

Amy Myers MD (41:52.483)
Well, I th I think that there are other ways. And I’m certainly not an an absolute, you know, expert in this, but you know, kind of back to what I write about in the autoimmune solution regarding all of these latent infections, right? That there can be molecular mimicry, there can be the bystander, you know, activation, just you know dysregulation of the immune system. And then of course, you know, we bring in the gut and the role of the gut. And we do know, I mean, this was

out there in in you know the mainstream news that those that had you know more dysbiosis, those that had leaky gut and they did worse with COVID. So we absolutely knew that to be true. And so you have to figure also someone who has a predisposition potentially to get cancer or autoimmunity and is just waiting for that final trigger. You know, we kind of talked about that antecedent happening

And for many people, COVID or the COVID vaccine was is this antecedent. They were already primed, right? They were primed with a leaky gut. They were primed with you know dysbiotic gut. they might have already been primed with you know, with having a suppressed immune system. So again, I don’t know that we have the full absolute 100% this is the mechanism that did this. I think many of these people.

were in a primed situation, that then this was the trigger that sent them over the edge. And I do think that, you know, people who were getting the vaccine, it w it was a different situation than people who were getting COVID naturally. You know, the amount of spike protein, the amount of replication that was happening, you know, having something that was more foreign than, you know, having a natural infection and getting natural immunity.

I mean, we just don’t know, you know, the full mechanism, but we with the research is now showing, you know, that they said, it’s gonna stay in your arm. It’s not gonna replicate after 48 hours. And you know, they’re finding spike protein in tumor, you know, after it post mortem in people’s tumors. They’re finding spike protein levels very high. In fact, you can go to Labcorp and go check your spike protein level.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (43:53.069)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (44:12.685)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Amy Myers MD (44:14.086)
And you know, I I’ve done that all myself. I I do not have high levels. I was not vaccinated. I have had COVID. But there are people and I and I do because I do consult, you know, with people on occasion or friends or family or whatever. And I have seen and I now have an inner circle, which is a paid membership. And my I have a health coach and she sees clients and I, you know, help her when she has very difficult clients. And she had somebody the other day that had taken my advice and gone to Labcorp in there.

their spike protein levels were out the roof. And I’m actually feel very you know, based on what happened with my sister, very vocal about this. In fact, I created a supplement, spike protein cleanse, that helps to break down and degrade the spike protein, whether you’re currently having COVID, whether you have long COVID, whether you are having long COVID based on the infection or the vaccination. So you can go to LabCorp

Leigh Ann Lindsey (44:44.747)
Uh-huh.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (45:10.721)
No.

Amy Myers MD (45:10.828)
It’s, I think, a $79 test. You can pay for it out of pocket and they will test your spike protein levels. And, you know, if you are outside of normal range, I would highly recommend that you take my my supplement or a supplement like it to help degrade the spike protein. But we have now found that there are people who are continuing to replicate this many, many years later.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (45:32.405)
Yeah. Well, so you already answered my next question, which is okay, so how do we start to detox from this? And so you created a a product specifically for this.

Amy Myers MD (45:39.831)
Well, I did. I did because, you know, I I I believe this to be one of the pri the you know, the biggest travesti of our you know, of our lifetime. I mean it’s you know, who knows what’s to come and how long I’ll live, but so far this is really the I think the biggest travesty of of my lifetime for sure. and and I do, you know, believe that it was, you know, malintent.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (46:05.741)
Yeah.

Amy Myers MD (46:06.506)
And that there was a certain purpose to it. And I think they are achieving that purpose. And so yes, I’ve created that. I plasmapheresis is another excellent way to get the spike protein out for people. uh-huh. So plasmapheresis is, and I have

Leigh Ann Lindsey (46:10.959)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (46:21.109)
Say more. That’s a new term to me.

Amy Myers MD (46:28.32)
I have a podcast with David, Dr. David Hossee and also one with Dr. I’m not thinking of his name at the exact second, but he started MD Lifespan, which is setting up, you know, clinics around the country to to offer this to people because, you know, he too believes this to be a huge travesty. But it is actually an approved therapy for Graves disease. And I knew this back when I had Graves disease, and it seemed so

Leigh Ann Lindsey (46:54.659)
Right.

Amy Myers MD (46:58.228)
extreme. And I did not do this when I had Graves disease. But it is an approved therapy for various autoimmune conditions. And basically you, you know, have two IVs in and a machine that’s basically pulling out your blood. Then it centrifuges out your plasma, which is where, you know, they call it sort of like an oil change. It’s where a lot of these infections are sitting, right? Or everything that’s not your red blood cells or

Sitting here and it pulls it out. And now that there are two ways to do it. I learned this other term just the other day. I was speaking to somebody in Dubai and they did this inuporesis, where then it just goes through a filter and then they put it back in your body. So that’s something called inuphesis, which I had not heard of. What I have done and what I’m referring to is plasmapheresis, where they actually pull out your plasma. You can hold a bag of it up when you’re done, and then they put back in either plasma or

Leigh Ann Lindsey (47:38.745)
Okay.

Amy Myers MD (47:54.609)
Brian Johnson has done this and he used his son’s plasma, or you can get albumin, which is heavily screened and it’s actually a synthetic pro product that’s very clean, doesn’t have any spike protein in it, and they put it back in your body, and then over time your body will begin to make, you know, all of these other proteins again, but it cleans your system out. And so it it it fil it can filter out both you know, these antibody complexes if you have an autoimmune condition.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (48:06.519)
No.

Amy Myers MD (48:22.772)
And it can clean out spike protein and and potentially other infections as well. So it’s a it’s a process. I’ve personally done it, which is very interesting that I just did it on my own to just try it. But yet, you know, there I was 25 years ago unwilling to do that for my own autoimmune condition. But it’s becoming very popularized in the longevity space, you know, because it’s kind of like having an oil change.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (48:29.165)
Yeah. Is this like Hebrew?

Amy Myers MD (48:51.096)
But it can also be very helpful in autoimmunity. I don’t know its role in cancer. I have asked about that. I’ve heard that potentially it can filter out like if you don’t have a a diagnosed tumor yet, but you just have maybe CTCs that have been picked up on a a blood test, that it could be helpful in that. I again I’m not a cancer expert and I don’t wanna pretend to be one, but certainly it is an approved method for autoimmunity, and then a lot of people are using it.

in this health and wellness space to, you know, get out spike protein either just because of long COVID from a natural infection to people who have been vaccinated.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (49:31.767)
Yeah. Is EBOO a version of this?

Amy Myers MD (49:34.827)
EBOO is not a version of this. EBOO is something different. EBOO is pulling out your blood, but I don’t believe that it’s filtering out the plasma and then it’s adding back in. it’s more equivalent to ozone therapy. So, my understanding, EBOO something I have not done. I’ve done ozone and I have done plasmapheresis, but I’m familiar with EBU and write about it in the book where it pulls out your blood.

generally ozonates it. Well, it sends it through like a infrared or UV light. So it’s to kill off any types of infections, things like that, and then adds in ozone. And so it’s more equivalent to general ozone, but when you’re doing ozone, they’re typically just doing one IV. But it’s equivalent to plasmapheresis in that EBU, you have two large bore IVs and the blood is going all the way through.

So it’s equivalent in that way, but it doesn’t pull out your plasma. And it’s adding in ozone and it’s generally going through a light that is supposed to kill, you know, infections and things like that. And a filter.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (50:28.911)
Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (50:32.431)
Okay, interesting.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (50:40.919)
Yeah, yeah, okay. As soon as you started explaining it, I was like, Okay, this sounds similar to EBOO, but you’re right, it’s not EBOO is not plasma specific.

Amy Myers MD (50:46.272)
It’s similar to EBO with the two large bore needles and it going through a machine and your blood coming out and going back in, but it doesn’t pull out your plasma and it doesn’t, you know, but I believe it does filtration, ozonation, and then, you know, the UV light.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (51:00.941)
Yeah. Well, I wanted to talk about the COVID piece because as I heard as I was listening to you talk about this on a different podcast, I was I started thinking about it. And there’s I have a couple loved ones who did get the vaccine. They just got one because early on, you know, they were scared. They kind of didn’t know what to do. They regret getting it now, but it’s very interesting because when I heard you talking, I was like, everyone I know who got it developed like really severe one of them.

Amy Myers MD (51:17.635)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (51:29.889)
severe arthritis, one of them eye cancer, a couple years later. And so it’s it Yeah. Yeah.

Amy Myers MD (51:36.19)
Eye cancer. Wow, that’s pretty I mean, never even of course you can have eye cancer, but never even heard of it.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (51:41.976)
Yeah. And and so it’s just it’s very interesting. And as the point we’ve already made, there are many other contributing factors to what’s going on here, but it’s a piece of the puzzle. And I actually happen to know that the one who is experiencing eye cancer, their spike protein is in the thousands. So it’s it’s a piece of the pu it’s an undeniable piece of the puzzle.

Amy Myers MD (52:04.652)
Yes. It it I mean, I I think you’ve got to be living under a rock to not notice the amount of weird and significant illnesses that are happening to people like eye cancer. I am a physician, of course, sure. I mean I’ve heard of like melanoma in your eye.

Eye cancer. mean, I don’t really even know what that is, right? I I went through medical school. That’s not something that I, you know, I had to do an ophthalmology rotation. It’s not something I remember learning about. So I mean, it’s undeniable in my opinion, the amount of autoimmunity, cancer, weird things, things people don’t even know what to name, weird symptoms.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (52:36.547)
Yeah.

Amy Myers MD (52:52.95)
you know, it all leads to I’m not saying a hundred percent of this is that that it’s COVID or the COVID vaccine, but our world has changed in the last eleven years, twelve years since I wrote this book. And we need all of these modalities that we’re talking about more and more. I mean, I I don’t know which podcast you heard of mine, but as my sister was dying of cancer,

I and my mother had died at 59 of pancreatic cancer and you know I was in my mid fifties and I had a scare and I knew that medically I would, you know, if I’ve helped reverse all this autoimmunity, like of course I could help reverse a cancer that hasn’t even been diagnosed, you know? And

And I didn’t think my mind was right, you know, everything that you do, right? And so I went to a Joe Dispenza meditation and it was life-changing for me to get into a certain state in and feel things that I had never felt and to realize that I had the power, not from a medical standpoint, but from my own intuitive consciousness standpoint, heal myself. And then from there, I actually went and did what is called a clerogenic medicine journey.

Where you’re very aware of what you’re what’s happening, you know, if you need to get up and pee and all that kind of stuff. And, you know, in it, it was like it’s to get you in touch with your soul. And it was like, I’m I’m healed. There’s nothing wrong with me. There’s never been anything wrong with me. And so, you know, I think another overlooked piece is is all of that in your own ability to not live in fear, to, to believe in another dimension, another reality, another

whatever you want to call it, that you can heal yourself and that you have powerful tools inside your own body and your own mind to do these things and to change the trajectory of your life, despite, you know, all of these external things. And, you know, that was really powerful for me. And then I repeated a test that I had taken and it was completely negative the next time. So you know, I I do a PRNO every year and

Amy Myers MD (55:03.84)
Because my mother died of pancreatic cancer and I did one earlier this year and they saw a cyst on my pancreas and didn’t know what it was, said it was most likely benign and follow up in a year. And I said, No, I’m not gonna do that. I’m turning fifty seven and my mom died at fifty nine of pancreatic cancer. I’m I’m I mean, I’m not a fan of IV contrast with an MRI, but I happily did that.

To and I meditated before I followed up with the oncologist. And I just was like, I’m gonna walk in and he is gonna tell me that there is nothing there. And I walked in, I mean, I’m literally checking into like, and I I mean, this is all like you know, because you work with people like this all the time. It is a complete mind, you know, game that I’m having to walk into an appointment in an oncology center when your mother’s died, your sister’s died, and I’m walking into an oncology center, and the woman’s giving me this like pamphlet of like the numbers to call and the caseworker and all this stuff.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (55:39.705)
Yeah.

Amy Myers MD (55:55.895)
And I said, no, thank you. I’m not going to need that. I appreciate it. Save that for somebody else. And I walked upstairs and the doctor walked in. He’s like, I don’t know what they thought they saw, but there is literally nothing on your MRI. I was like, I knew it. Thank you so much. Nice to meet you. Bye. So I mean, there that’s a whole nother piece of all of it, is just, you know, the, the mindset in all of this.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (56:08.429)
Yeah. Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (56:18.263)
Yeah. I mean, I’m on a mission because even in the integrative world, and I know we’re we’re at time, so I’ll land this plane, but even in the integrative world where emotions and trauma are acknowledged, in my opinion, it’s still not a big a big enough piece of the puzzle. You know, when I was over at the cancer center with Dr. Keneally, I mean, we had patients who were there eight hours a day, five days a week. And maybe one of those hours was dedicated to stress.

emotions. And I mean, look, that’s a great start. That’s amazing. We need a lot more than that because it’s such a big piece of the puzzle. We need to tend that piece of the puzzle the same way we would some of these physiological pieces. So I’m with you.

Amy Myers MD (56:59.562)
And people need to be ready for it. You know, I sent my sister to Joe Dispenza and I sent her to do what I had done and she wasn’t able to get there. And, you know, she wasn’t able to get in touch with her soul, which was really very sad. And and so you have to be in a place where it’s something that you believe that you can change this trajectory. And if you don’t believe you can do that, then probably not any point in trying to do it. Right. I mean, you have to believe at your core that

Leigh Ann Lindsey (57:08.825)
Yeah.

Amy Myers MD (57:29.482)
Or surrender, you know, which is what I did. I mean I said, like logically I know how to do this. There’s no problem. But what I don’t know how to do is just to surrender to say, I’m gonna be fine.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (57:36.995)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (57:42.861)
Yeah, yeah. my gosh. Well, Dr. Myers, thank you so much. This was fantastic. Thank you for indulging all my questions. where can the audience find you? Where can they learn more? It’ll all be linked in the show notes, but just so they can hear it here.

Amy Myers MD (57:56.545)
Absolutely. So, and I’m updating a lot of things, which is why I pushed out the book. But so my personal website is dramimyers.com and my supplement website is amimyersmd.com. So basically if you’re looking for me as the person, it’s dramy myers. And if you’re looking for my company, at least right now, everything is under Amy MyersMD. Both social, everything. That’s how we’ve separated it.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (58:20.825)
Beautiful. We’ll put linked in the show notes. I’m sure I’m I mean, I want to go check out the spike protein supplement because

Amy Myers MD (58:27.368)
And at this exact moment, so we had it hidden because we weren’t but I’ve asked my team prior to this conversation, just we need to unhide it. But so if if you go to my website and you don’t see it, you can the link there is just Amy Myers MD dot com slash product slash spike hyphen protein hyphen cleanse.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (58:51.361)
Okay. Beautiful.

Amy Myers MD (58:52.194)
So you you can find it at that specific link, but I’ve I’ve literally requested yesterday that they un unhide it. We were only, you know, giving it out to people that like Jade was seeing or if I was seeing them. But yeah, anybody can can purchase it. So if you do, let us know how it goes.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (59:02.795)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (59:06.487)
Amazing. Amazing. Well, thank you so much for coming on and giving us all of your time. I can’t wait for the new version of the book to come out. We’ll definitely have to, you know, boost it again in January once it’s here.

Amy Myers MD (59:20.387)
Well, thank you so much. And yes, we’ll we’ll have probably I d again, don’t know when this will go out, but a pre-order page up here shortly with bonuses and things like that. So thank you so much for having me. It was great to meet you.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (59:29.199)
Amazing.

Yes.