THE ACCRESCENT™ PODCAST EPISODE 241

Leigh Ann Lindsey (00:01.216)
Okay, well Marcus, welcome to the Accrescent Podcast.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (00:07.618)
We’re so excited to have you on. just were talking off air that I haven’t had a homeopath on the show. And so you are gonna be the first one to introduce us to this field.

Marcus Fernandez (00:16.869)
So, so I’m getting, can you hear the feedback?

Leigh Ann Lindsey (00:21.389)
no, is it giving you an echo? Let me see here.

Marcus Fernandez (00:22.809)
Yeah, I say what it is, it’s because I’m on twice.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (00:28.06)
you’ve got two open!

Marcus Fernandez (00:30.489)
Yeah. Yeah. There you go. All good.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (00:33.314)
Good? Okay. We’re going to make it happen one way or another. There we go. Perfect. Perfect. Okay. We’ll restart. Marcus, welcome to the Accrescent Podcast.

Marcus Fernandez (00:39.877)
Okay, perfect.

Marcus Fernandez (00:47.961)
Thank you very much, lovely to be here.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (00:50.518)
We were just talking off air that you, I mean, I’ve been doing the show for six years and you’re the first homeopath we’ve had on the show. So I’m really excited to be able to give the audience this introduction to a field that I actually, think especially cause so many of us in on this podcast in my audience with my clients are.

in integrative medicine, holistic medicine, natural medicine. So I think homeopathy is something most people in my sphere have heard about. And yet, even though it’s something I’ve heard about and in fact, something I use, I really don’t understand it that well. Like I couldn’t really explain it to anyone. And so I’m really excited to get that intro today. But what I would love to do, and I know you’ve told this story a hundred times, is give us your introduction to homeopathy.

Marcus Fernandez (01:41.029)
Yeah, I mean, it’s really interesting to say that. mean, in the US, the history of homeopathy in the US is phenomenal. I mean, it really is phenomenal.

And I ask you all your listeners to investigate it. Just type in the history of homeopathy in America. It was such a huge, huge movement. And, you know, from the 1800s onwards, mean, know, homeopathic hospitals across America, had, yeah, medical schools, homeopathic medical schools, 25 % of all physicians in America at the turn of the 20th century were homeopathic practitioners. You have such a history in America.

Yet, when I’ve taught in America, I’m teaching in New York to people and they never knew about this history. So it’s a phenomenal, phenomenal thing. In fact, I’m going to be controversial here. The American Medical Association was founded to outlaw homeopathy, okay? And it was outlawed in the 1920s by the Flexner Report, which was commissioned by Rockefeller.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (02:27.039)
Wow!

Marcus Fernandez (02:43.821)
And basically what that did, it pulled all the funding from the medical schools and the hospitals and it went into decline. But that was the start of the pharmaceutical industry. But don’t get me started on that. Well, you’ve got such a great history, such a great history in America. And in fact, was in Santa Monica last year in a pharmacy, there’s a homeopathic pharmacy in Santa Monica and they have a huge picture on the wall outside the White House. I think it was like 1915.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (02:53.154)
Yeah, I know, I know.

Marcus Fernandez (03:12.823)
of 500 homeopathic doctors sitting on the lawn outside the White House. You’ve got a statue of Samuel Hanneman, the founder of homeopathy, again, opposite the White House.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (03:26.626)
Isn’t that wild how that just can get wiped from history? From mainstream history, yeah.

Marcus Fernandez (03:30.053)
Funny, it? Absolutely, absolutely. But anyway, I digress. But talking about what is homeopathy, well, it’s a question you get asked a lot. even the words are a bit strange, homeopathy. Some people can’t even pronounce it right. And basically what homeopathy is, based on, well, it means homio, which means similar, and pathos, which means suffering. So similar suffering. And it’s based on the principle of like, yours like. So if you chop it and you know,

Leigh Ann Lindsey (03:35.564)
Yeah.

Marcus Fernandez (03:59.309)
your eyes water, your nose runs. Well, we use onion for people with colds or flu, where their eyes are running and the nose is streaming as though you’re chopping an onion. So what can cause something in a large amount, in a small amount, it can cure it.

Another good analogy is coffee. You drink lots of coffee and you get whole nervous system gets wired up and your brain’s going a thousand miles an hour. You’re thinking about all different things. You get very fidgety and nervy and you you can’t sit still. Well.

We use coffee or coffee as a homeopathic remedy for people that have those symptoms without drinking coffee. They may be overstressed, working too much, over activity. The whole nervous system is really sort of wired. So again, whatever can cause immune, a large amount, in a small amount, it can cure it. And that’s the basis of homeopathy.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (04:51.022)
My immediate comparison goes to just traditional supplements, know, a turmeric supplement. There’s a hundred things out there.

green supplements and especially for those of us in the integrative world, supplements are so commonplace. And I guess maybe this is too broad of a question, but what is that comparison? Is homeopathy, it sounds like it’s another type of supplement, but how might it be different from taking something like a tumor capsule or something else? Okay.

Marcus Fernandez (05:23.929)
Yeah, it’s completely different. so.

The thing about homeopathy is very, very dilute. So what we do to make a homeopathic remedy, for example, say you had like a, I don’t know, calendula or arnica, most people have heard of arnica, which made from a plant, arnica montana. So what would happen to prepare that as a homeopathic remedy? They would first make it as a herbal tincture, and then they take one drop of that and put it into 99 parts of alcohol. So you had a test tube, and then they cut it,

which means they bang the test tube on something hard. Okay, they have machines to do this. I’m just giving you, but they’re somehow handmade. They didn’t take one drop of that and put it into another 99 parts of alcohol and succumb it. Okay, so one C. They didn’t take one drop of that into another 99 parts of alcohol, succumb it, that’s two C. So by the time you get to 30 C, it’s very dilute. So we’re talking about very, very, almost like nanoparticles of the substance. And this is why science often has a

Leigh Ann Lindsey (06:06.413)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (06:11.33)
Wow.

Marcus Fernandez (06:29.477)
problem so well hang on it’s so diluted there’s almost nothing left and there’s sometimes nothing left but this is where it’s not just about the dilution it’s about the percussion it’s about the energy of the percussion which again there’s different theories that somehow we unlocks the energy of that substance and

Leigh Ann Lindsey (06:48.598)
Hmm.

Marcus Fernandez (06:49.761)
Just because something is very, very small doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist and doesn’t mean it’s not powerful. We know this from quantum physics, quantum mechanics, or even if you put a few drops, I don’t know, drop of blood in the ocean and the shark can, not that I’m an expert at sharks, but a shark can pick it up a few miles away. mean, you know, so we’re dealing with very, very dilute amounts. So it’s a lot different than supplements which are using large amounts. This is using very minute amounts to help stimulate the body to start healing itself.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (07:04.302)
Thank

Leigh Ann Lindsey (07:09.698)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (07:18.782)
Mm-hmm. That’s what I want to understand better because the difference between, yeah, it almost sounds like conventional supplements are more like, let’s throw as much of this thing as we can at it. And in a weird way, you know, I was thinking about in an episode you did with someone else, she was talking about how…

Marcus Fernandez (07:33.165)
Yes.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (07:40.884)
you have an infection, you go get antibiotics. Antibiotics are like bringing in an external army to fight off what’s going on rather than building up your own internal army. And what it’s just making me think of is supplements are really the same thing. For some reason, turmeric is the example I’m using today, but I’m taking a massive dose of turmeric. That’s still an external army, quote unquote, I’m bringing in.

Marcus Fernandez (08:08.509)
Exactly. that’s exactly that’s the exact difference. So basically what homeopathy does by by it stimulates the body to heal itself. So what it’s doing is like a key to a lock. Like I you’ve got to match the remedy to the person. This is again, we’ll talk about this individuality. So for example, five different people, five different people can have all have a cough.

You could have a dry cough, which is worse inside, better outside. I could have a wet loose cough, which is better outside, better inside than being outside. You could be chilly, I could be hot. Now, if you went to the pharmacy, you get one remedy for a cough.

You know, one thing, one size fits all. In homeopathy, it’s individual. Those five people can each have a different remedy according to their characteristic symptoms. So again, it’s very, very individual. But again, the remedy, not like an allopathic or a crude substance or a huge amount like a supplement. Again, it’s imposing something from the outside. What homeopathy is doing is stimulating the body to heal itself. So it’s, you know, it’s actually just, it’s a bit like going to the acupuncturist.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (08:56.619)
Mm-hmm.

Marcus Fernandez (09:17.191)
acupuncturist puts the needle in and what does he do? He’s just trying to stimulate the flow of chi through the meridians. It’s the same process but it’s very gentle. And I do believe that all the healing wisdom we’re ever going to need is within us. Now, but I’m not anti-medicine, you know, I think it’s like a scale.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (09:27.585)
Mm-hmm.

Marcus Fernandez (09:36.365)
If I’m in a car accident, the first place I just want to be is the hospital if I’m all smashed up. I may be taking Arnica if I’m conscious, did happen to me. But if I’ve got a chronic disease, I’m going to look at all the different ways to try to get my body to heal itself before I go down that route. So to me, it’s about choice. It’s about, it’s a different paradigm, I think, around health and wellbeing.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (09:36.397)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (09:40.577)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (09:57.088)
It really is, I think, especially in America where a little bit of our underlying sentiment is more faster, larger, bigger, better, harder. And I actually think the supplement industry is a part of that. Now there is a time and a place, I think, especially when we’re dealing with really severe cases of cancer or chronic illness, there is a time and a place to bring in the external army.

Marcus Fernandez (10:20.399)
Absolutely.

Marcus Fernandez (10:24.353)
Absolutely, absolutely.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (10:25.772)
because the internal is so depleted. this, and I will probably get into this later in the episode, how can homeopathy be used maybe in conjunction with other supplements? But yeah, it’s flipping it on its head, which is actually less is more. And what I’m…

Marcus Fernandez (10:44.666)
Exactly, exactly. That’s it. That’s homeopathy, yes.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (10:50.38)
What I’m hearing is it’s giving me this metaphor of almost like homeopathy is this little gentle reminder to the body of, hey, here’s what you can do. Here’s what you’re capable of. Here’s that switch over there that you can turn on. Remember, go turn it on.

Marcus Fernandez (11:05.771)
Exactly. It’s the same thing. It’s so funny because I talking about peptides the other day with somebody and I think it’s almost like very similar. It’s just it’s a reminder, you know, you when you take a homeopathic remedy, often what can happen, say you’ve got a say you’ve got a cold, you take the remedy.

And say it’s what I talked about, chopping onion up, we use a remedy called Allium Sipa, which is made from onion. And I’ve got a cold that’s, the nose is running and my eyes are streaming and I’m sneezing. When I take that homeopathic remedy, as soon as I take it, often you’ll feel that you may get more of a discharge coming out or you start to sneeze a lot more, okay? And it’s like, it’s trying to, it’s a bit like a bell curve. It’s going to speed up the process and do it efficiently.

So as you know, in an acute, there’s a beginning, there’s a middle and an end. That’s the difference between acute disease and chronic disease. So what it does, it just makes the body do it more efficiently. Or if you’ve got a fever, if I take a remedy, I’ll just start to, my fever will out, I’ll just start to sweat like crazy. Now, what can normally take me two or three days may be over in 24 hours, if that makes sense. But you feel better afterwards. So the more that we use our, or we call it the vital force in Chinese medicine, it’s qi, and I evade it, it’s prana.

What we or immune system in Western medicine, the more that we use it, but like going to the gym, the stronger it becomes. If you take medication all the time, what he’s doing is suppressing the symptoms, not actually getting to the the source of what’s going on. And that’s why I use the analogy of a car dashboard.

If the oil light flashes, it means there’s something wrong in the engine. But if you just take the bulb out or just suppress the symptoms, there’s still a problem in the engine, the car will break down two or three miles down the road. We have to go in the engine, fix the problem, and the light will go off by itself.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (12:55.2)
Yeah. And you know what, like tagging onto that metaphor you just gave, if the engine’s out and the car’s not running, I feel like taking supplements or pharmaceuticals is like, we’re not fixing, we’re still not fixing the engine, but we’re going to attach a new engine to the back of the car so it can go. And it might get the car moving, but the internal original engine is still not repaired.

Marcus Fernandez (13:15.661)
Yes, yes, well, yeah.

Marcus Fernandez (13:22.371)
Yeah, yeah. And it’s not yeah, you’re not really getting to the heart of it. So, so listen, I’m a fan of all things like, you know, from supplements, but even now with supplements, I’m a big fan of Gary Brecker and the whole methylation of, you know, and that’s very individual, isn’t it? Because traditionally, what we done, we just take all these things thinking something’s going to help us. It’s like the shotgun. But then it was such an eye opener when I had my own methylation and genetic testing to see what I needed. And it made a huge difference.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (13:41.464)
moving.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (13:50.888)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Marcus Fernandez (13:52.473)
cut right down a lot of things I was taking, but I was, know, some things I couldn’t properly process, you know, and I was making things worse. So I think, you know, I think this individual, just like homeopolis individual, medicine is going down that route. It’s got to be individual to ourselves and what we need.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (13:59.254)
Right. Right.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (14:10.21)
Yeah, I sometimes think about how even a good thing that we take in is still something that the body needs to process. And especially, I think, when we’re in a state of depletion, if we’re taking things that we really don’t need or our body can’t process, even if they’re quote unquote good or beneficial, and there’s all these studies to support the benefits,

Marcus Fernandez (14:20.376)
Yes.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (14:35.796)
It can be quote unquote harmful to you because it’s just one extra thing your body needs to process.

Marcus Fernandez (14:41.963)
Absolutely, and you know, I don’t tell you, Leigh Ann, everything you take, whether it’s pharmaceutical, whether it’s herbal, whether it’s a supplement, has to be processed through the body. And if those pathways of elimination are clogged up, or probably clogged up is not the right word, but not as efficient as they can be, then you just add in another load to the body. And I think just because things are classed as healthy doesn’t necessarily mean they’re actually good for you.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (15:02.754)
Right.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (15:09.506)
Completely, exactly, exactly. And I think, again, I see so much of the marketing here in America around supplements. And on the one hand, it’s like, great, let’s, you know, if we need to kind of titrate ourself away from pharmaceuticals and then into supplements, great, I’ll take it. But it’s still very much, you know, I think a lot of people in the integrative medicine, holistic medicine world are maybe on, you know, 20 plus supplements a day.

Marcus Fernandez (15:38.521)
Which is crazy. I mean, you make it’s almost like the opposite side to the allopathic. It’s the same thing really, isn’t it? It’s like, as we talked about before, less to me is more. It’s like, I think I really believe that things that are true in life are simple, you know, things are simple, like sunlight, like I’ve just come off a plane, I was saying from Florida, and the first thing I do is go outside and get some grass and to ground. That just cost me anything.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (15:56.781)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (16:07.796)
Mm-hmm. I know, I mean this is where we could get into the whole psychology of it, which I really think there’s some unconscious narrative around if it’s not hard, it’s not good enough.

Marcus Fernandez (16:20.366)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (16:21.248)
And so we want to struggle a little bit. We want it to be complex or expensive. And obviously that’s not speaking to everyone because there are many people who can’t afford some of these things and would love it to be simple. But I wonder how much that plays a role in some of this. There’s so much science showing that it really can be simple. Get your morning sunlight, ground daily.

Marcus Fernandez (16:42.661)
Absolutely. yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (16:46.572)
you know, eat whole foods and yet for some reason that feels like too easy or too simple sometimes.

Marcus Fernandez (16:52.941)
Yeah, because we are, listen, and I’m, as I said before we started, I’m a bit of a buy hacker. I love different gadgets. Look, I’ve been wearing an O-ring for six, seven years. I’ve, you know, I’ve got me whoop, I’ve got this, I’ve got me pen from out, I’ve got me red light. We don’t have a sunshine in the UK, but, but like you said, but that’s just me. like to geek out on things. I like to try things out before I ever recommend them, but actually the simple things you can do, like I said, get your feet on the grass. I mean, the studies on grounding now is…

Leigh Ann Lindsey (17:07.438)
you

Marcus Fernandez (17:21.605)
I mean, I’ve always done it, but like 20 odd years ago, and my friends, think it was like woo woo, what are you talking about? But the science now behind grinding, just getting your feet on the ground is phenomenal. Same with meditation, you know? I mean, I’ve been a meditator for 30 odd years. Now everybody’s doing it. When I was doing it, people thought it was a bit crazy. So it’s just very simple things we can do that I think, yeah, I just think, I think the key to life is simplicity. I mean, I’m 55 now and I…

Leigh Ann Lindsey (17:31.918)
Mm-hmm.

Marcus Fernandez (17:51.181)
I suddenly think actually the key is simplicity. We don’t need to over complicate it.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (17:57.644)
Mm-hmm. So where do we start when it comes to using homeopathy? And the short answer here is even listening to previous episodes you had done, I was like, I really want to find a homeopath to work with.

Marcus Fernandez (18:14.309)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (18:15.022)
in a professional capacity because I do really understand the nature of how individual it is. And I guess even as someone listening to previous conversations of yours, I, I, as just an at home person started feeling like, Oh, there’s no way I can do this at home for myself because it’s so complex and individual.

Marcus Fernandez (18:32.901)
Yeah. Yeah. So it is simple. Okay. So, so there’s different ways, there’s different, different ways of prescribing. So as I said, there’s like acute things at home, like from coughs and colds. I’m in my book, Homeopathy at Home. It’s coughs and colds, you know.

strains and sprains, things that you don’t necessarily need to go to the doctor for, things that like you know your grandmother would know or your mother would know what to do. A lot of this stuff we’ve forgotten, you know we forgot lot of this stuff and so we’re running to the pharmacy to suppress the sore throat, to suppress the cough, to suppress the cold, but actually it’s learning how to deal with these things and so homeopathy can be used, I mean I ran a mother and baby clinic for many many years you know treating women who are pregnant, then had you know kids, a lot of homeopathy is used in

birth, so there’s birth kits, then using it on the babies, very safe, 100 % safe for pregnancy and for babies. And so there’s things you can do. So there’s that level of home prescribing and actually, all you need really, Leigh Ann, is a good book, just get a good book. And, you know, like in my book here, I’m shamefully plugging my book, but…

Leigh Ann Lindsey (19:44.43)
That’s what we’re here for.

Marcus Fernandez (19:46.501)
It’s like, yeah, it’s like coughing, like cough, cystitis, top five remedies for cystitis. Like I said, we can all have cystitis, but all have different symptoms of that. So I put the top five in there. And then things you can find in the kitchen cupboard that you can use. know, everything from chamomile. mean, chamomile has such an amazing, it’s not just about tea. It has so many uses. You can use it as a cold compress. You can use it like, you know, for sleep. There’s all different things you can use it for, for burns. So that book was very much for that, to empower people to take charge of that.

health and wellbeing at home. And I saw this change in 2020 when lockdown happened and the whole pandemic. I don’t know what it was like in the US, but for the UK, you know, it really shocked people because for that whole year before any vaccine, there was nothing. They were all we were told is stay in your house and wear a mask. And that shocked a lot of people because they really thought if the worst came, medical science would save me. It didn’t save you.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (20:31.918)
Hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (20:36.93)
Yeah.

Marcus Fernandez (20:42.243)
And so people were, they started to really look at the whole health and wellbeing and decided they need to find out more. They can’t just rely on external people, which I think was a really good thing. We can’t give our health a power of our.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (20:53.239)
Yeah.

Marcus Fernandez (20:55.887)
health and wellbeing to somebody else. We’ve got to know about it. So anyway, that’s acute prescribing. And then there’s chronic diseases. So people come in with chronic diseases, everything from arthritis, asthma, eczema, endometriosis, or whatever it is. And in homeopathy, again, it’s very individual. But we take a timeline. So you’re born here, you’re here now, and different things have happened along in your life.

And our job is like a detective, it’s like trying to find the cause behind it. Why did this start? And that can be many reasons, that can be mental, emotional, physical. So for example, somebody could come in with, I don’t know, migraines at the age of 36, and you ask them all the symptoms of the migraines, what makes it better, what makes it worse. Again, we’re trying to find the individual symptomatology. What’s the sensation like?

Leigh Ann Lindsey (21:27.438)
Mm-hmm.

Marcus Fernandez (21:51.077)
You know, because migraines can have so many different types of sensations. People can say, it feels like a vice. My head’s in a vice. Or it feels like, it feels like somebody’s putting a screwdriver in my temple or hitting me the back of the head. All different symptoms. So this is really important in homeopathy. And then next question is, you challenging, when did it all start? Oh, it started four years ago. Okay, what was happening in your life four years ago? And often, Leigh Ann, people have never been asked that.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (22:11.886)
you

Marcus Fernandez (22:15.621)
Well, what do mean what happened? Well, did anything go on physically? you have a trauma? Did you have anything emotionally? And you mentioned, just say the word emotional and you can see the person wanting up, you know? And they say, well, that’s when I got divorced. Okay, let’s talk about it. Yeah, I’ve never got over it. And then they start to weep and cry. It’s the worst thing that ever happened to me. He had an affair, blah, blah, blah. So now, oh, and went to the migrant side a few months after that.

So I’m not looking for a migraine remedy, I’m looking for a remedy, a grief remedy, say it’s grief, they’ve got it held onto, a grief remedy that has migraines as part of its picture. Does that make sense? So I’m giving a remedy for grief, unexpressed grief, because again, it’s often physical symptoms can be an external manifestation of our internal state. I’m not saying all migraines are caused by this, I’m just giving you as an example.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (22:55.358)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm?

Leigh Ann Lindsey (23:07.106)
Yes.

Right. It’s so, I mean, that is so fascinating. There’s so many questions coming to my mind. It’s so fascinating because it requires you as the practitioner though, to really give weight to the things that need the appropriate weight. And is there any kind of, is there any instance where you would go, okay, what happened?

four years ago when these migraines started, we’re gonna give you a remedy for that, but we’re also gonna give you a remedy that matches the symptoms of the migraine.

Marcus Fernandez (23:43.161)
what the remedy looking for will cover the symptoms of the migraine and the cause. So for example, there’s a remedy called Nat Muir, Nature Muir, which is made from salt, okay? Salt is a homeopathic remedy, but as a homeopathic remedy. So what would happen is, and often it’s for people that…

they don’t express their emotions, they may have been hurt emotionally, they build a wall around themselves and they go, I’m never gonna give my heart away like that again. So they can become quite closed off. But they develop migraines or headaches. So I’m matching a remedy that has grief, which really suppress grief, that’s in that instance.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (24:28.909)
Yeah.

Marcus Fernandez (24:29.273)
with these physical migraines. I’m looking for a remedy that covers all that. So when you’re choosing remedies, they have what we call remedy pictures. So they have a mental and emotional side to the remedy. They have physical side to the remedy. So when we’re looking what we call our materia medica, which is like three and a half thousand remedies in a book, like here, this is a bit of a warm book, as you can see, but it’s got thousands of remedies in here.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (24:41.486)
Marcus Fernandez (24:57.399)
you’re looking for the mental and emotional and the physical picture. So that’s how you match the revenue. So here’s an example. So that lady, she’s coming migrating, she’s got grief, before that she didn’t have it. And she tells you that she’s never got over it, it’s the worst thing that ever happened to her. And you ask, what do you do with that grief? I keep it all inside.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (25:02.582)
Wow.

Marcus Fernandez (25:20.323)
So I give the remedy napmule because the symptoms she’s got is like little hammers hammering on the side of her head when she gets the migraine, worse for light, which is a common symptom anyway. But better if she cries, okay? So if she cries, it’s a relief, her headache feels better. So I give the remedy natriummule. I see her a month later, how are you? What the hell was that remedy gave me? She may say, why, what happened? I didn’t stop crying for two or three days.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (25:33.998)
Hmm.

Marcus Fernandez (25:49.989)
You know, I I just was crying, all this grief came out. I dreamt about my ex-husband. We were, I was so angry with him in the dream. And then, then I cry in the dream and then we sort of made up and I feel like a weight’s been lifted off me. How are your migraines? Yeah, I said they’re 40, 50 % better than they were before. You know, great. Repeat the remedy again.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (25:50.252)
Wow, yeah.

Marcus Fernandez (26:15.001)
This is how, honestly, when I first, and I said this in my book, when I first discovered homeopathy, I was only 20 years of age. I wasn’t even interested in health and wellbeing. I was in a band. I was going to be a rock and roll star. But when I heard about homeopathy for the first time, the first thing that came to my mind was if this is true, because I went to an open day where this teacher was talking about homeopathy, if this is true, how come the whole world doesn’t know about it? I could not believe.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (26:42.123)
Mm-hmm.

Marcus Fernandez (26:44.933)
that I hadn’t heard about homeopathy. And then when I started to learn about it, I in India alone, the hundred million people use homeopathy as their primary healthcare. In England, the royal family, the king, the late queen, they all use homeopathy. The king is actually King Charles, he just visited the US. He’s the patron of homeopathy here in the UK. Absolutely, hundred, there’s homeopathic hospitals here.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (26:52.45)
Yeah!

Leigh Ann Lindsey (27:02.732)
No way. my gosh.

Marcus Fernandez (27:08.069)
in the four major ones, Bristol, London, Tunbridge Wells, Glasgow, actually Liverpool as well. when you, it’s one of the, it’s one of those things that even now, in fact, I was in a tutorial today with some students, I said, you go and ask people what is homeopathy, people haven’t a clue. Yet it is used extensively around the world. It’s got a rich history. Why? Because it works.

It absolutely works. So I spent my whole adult life, with my school, I have 20 practitioners, spreading the word of homeopathy because it is phenomenal.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (27:46.73)
Yeah, it’s getting me really jazzed. I actually, well, I’m a, actually did a certification course on flower essences. So I, yes, yes. And there’s others. Yes, totally. The Australian flower essences. Yeah. So it’s funny because I, I worked with those a lot years ago and

Marcus Fernandez (27:49.645)
I can tell, Leigh Ann, I can tell.

Marcus Fernandez (27:56.626)
right, yeah, flower essences, yeah. The bag flower essences. Yeah, and he was a homyopath.

Marcus Fernandez (28:05.549)
Yes, Ian White, I know Ian, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (28:16.942)
for a number of different reasons, I was making custom remedies. And a part of why I don’t do that anymore is it just was taking so much time. I didn’t have the time to be able to do that and my one-on-one client work that I do with EVOX and depth psychology. But you’re reminding me like, oh, why I started with that and why I loved it so much because in my sessions, it’s exactly this. I’ll ask the same questions.

When you got diagnosed with cancer, what was happening around that time? I also, my whole dissertation process is on the archetypes of cancer that I really see such clear emotional trauma patterns with each type of cancer. So because I’ve done this for so long, I’m able to start asking questions like, you have breast cancer? I’m gonna ask about these five things if they ever happened in your life.

And so we’re working together to consciously and unconsciously metabolize what’s been unprocessed, but to be able to have a remedy that helps support that on a gentle, energetic level on a daily basis is so profound.

Marcus Fernandez (29:24.773)
Absolutely, and because what happens when you take your em, you say an example I gave you then of that grief or trauma What it does is it brings it up, but not not in a not in a traumatic way But it brings you up the issue I’m talking like sometimes people five ten fifteen twenty thirty years from an episode that comes up, but it comes up in a way where You’ve got it’s almost like you have the body gives you the ability to decide again. Do I hold on to this?

or do I let it go?

Leigh Ann Lindsey (29:54.958)
Wow, that’s a powerful statement.

Marcus Fernandez (29:58.265)
but you still have free will.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (30:00.202)
Yeah, but to that end, it gently strengthens those internal systems to be able to process the thing, right? So much of my work is, if we didn’t process this 20 years ago, it’s because on some level we weren’t able, so it was protective to repress it then.

Marcus Fernandez (30:01.605)
You know, so gently.

Marcus Fernandez (30:19.843)
Exactly. Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (30:21.918)
Now it’s becoming harmful or causing all this turbulence. So what does the psyche need to be able to become strengthened to now metabolize this thing? And it’s not an external thing. I mean, the essence of my work, it’s so funny. It’s almost like I’m doing homeopathy for the psyche of I’m not here to come in and do it for you. I’m here to strengthen your psyche so you can do it yourself.

Marcus Fernandez (30:40.409)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Marcus Fernandez (30:45.764)
Exactly.

And you’re walking alongside people, you know, you’re walking alongside people and I think it’s very profound. Often I would say to people, know, you’ve already got it.

You’ve already got it and.

And when you say, when you really, when you really believe that, and I don’t mean believe that’s probably even, not a great war, but when you’re, when you’re very, when you’re very certain with that, I know as a practitioner of 30 odd years, I’m very certain that I feel certain that you’ve got everything that you need, that you’re not broken. Actually, who you are is actually perfect.

And when you really believe that with every cell of your body, it’s not the words that you say to people, it’s what’s behind those words and people feel that. But it’s the same thing as what you’re saying, it’s like, you’ve got it.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (31:40.94)
Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (31:48.238)
100%, 100 % and my job might be to help us go, you know, the psyche created all these narratives that are limiting you. And what does your psyche need to be able to expand those narratives into different truths? And it’s the same thing, right? If we’re talking about the body, the immune system has all the right healing narratives, but sometimes they get lost for whatever reason and homeopathy helps remind.

Marcus Fernandez (32:17.573)
That’s it. It’s the reminder. It’s the reminder of who you are. It’s the reminder of who you are. As we know, with cancer, we have cancer cells constantly being produced in our body, but our body deals with it. And it’s like, know, like I said, what we need instead of keep suppressing things.

What we need is the opposite, don’t we? It’s like again less is more when we were saying talking the same language But it’s that less is more that’s nature. This is more

Leigh Ann Lindsey (32:48.526)
Yeah, yeah. Help me get a sense, because you were talking about it’s one remedy. And I also think this is a little bit of a paradigm shift for us, and I want to make sure I’m understanding it correctly. So if I come into a homeopath and I’m sharing all these different things, right, like I’m thinking about when I go to Sprouts, which is a local health market here, and they have homeopathy, the little jars, and you can read all the different symptoms.

And what I want to do is go, I want this one and this one and this one, and I’m going to take them all at once. Is that not what we’re talking about here? you, are you saying when you go to a homeopath and you give them everything, they’re literally going to give you one.

Marcus Fernandez (33:20.611)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, we don’t talk about that.

Marcus Fernandez (33:32.163)
Yes, I mean, maybe two, it depends on the situation. But basically, there’s different ways of practicing homeopathy. But the way that I practice homeopathy, as I remember saying, you’re born here and you’re here now, and different things have happened. So if you do it like a stack of books, so you know, things happen in our lives. And each time things happen, it’s like a layer. So you got all these layers that are going on. It’s just something that was in a simplistic way. After when people come to see you, they’re coming with something.

So in chronically, know, it could be, like I said, migraines, could be arthritis, could be whatever they’re coming in with. But there’s a story of how they got there. Like said, there’s a narrative of how they got there. So again, you could have five people with the same condition, say, arthritis, I can’t think of it on top of my head, but each person would have a different story. Okay. And it’s like, what we’ve got to do, like I said, like a detective, we’ve got to unwind the story. But we start off with the…

If you think about the layer, we’re peeling an onion, you start with the top layer. And that top layer will be a remedy pitcher. you, again, say it with arthritis. So they’re coming to see you and they’ve got arthritis in their fingers. It’s worse damp weather, worse stiffness, worse first moving, but better if they move around a lot. Okay, and quite restless within themselves. And that could be a remedy called better for heat.

That could be remedy called rust tox. Another person can have arthritis in the fingers. Any movement is really painful. They don’t want to move at all. They could be quite thirsty since they’ve had this arthritis. These little weird strange symptoms. It could be very irritable within themselves. Well, that would be a remedy called bryonia. So we’re trying to match that first layer of the arthritis. So you deal with that.

And often, again, not always, but what comes underneath that layer is the next layer. That could be the emotional layer that’s caused the arthritis in the first place. So as you’re starting to help that, give the remedy for that remedy state, the next state comes up, which was behind it. Does that make sense? And then, say it was back to that original story of, let’s not say grief, let’s say anger. So again, in Chinese medicine, often arthritis can be like resentment. If you look at the mind-body connections, resentment or honing on or anger.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (35:39.477)
Mm-hmm.

Marcus Fernandez (35:54.341)
And that could be from a job situation where they got made redundant and they’ve never got over it type of thing They’ve kept it within them. But then so you then you deal with that emotion motion then you go to the next layer and it could be next layer that comes up is They could have an old injury comes back. So people come back say yeah, that’s fine But I’ve got this really weird knee pain. Okay, have you ever had that before? Yeah, I had that about 20 years ago I was playing soccer and I really damaged it

And what happened? Well, I was given cortisone injections and I think it was okay. But now it’s come back because you hit in that next layer. It’s like you’re going back through time. The body’s saying, right, heal this. was never healed properly the first place. It was suppressed by using the cortisone. So it will come back. Also, it’s what we call return of all symptoms, which is a really key thing in homeopathy healing because you’re going back in time. It could have been age 20 and you deal with that.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (36:45.666)
huh.

Marcus Fernandez (36:51.341)
So what happens every time you remove these layers, more vitality comes back into the system. These layers have been trapping the vitality. If that makes sense.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (36:51.352)
Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (36:59.062)
Yeah, yeah. And I know I’m getting hyper-specific here, but I think the audience and myself really appreciate it. So is it the kind of thing where are they giving you a little jar of kind of homeopathy, tab, or the little balls? And is it like, and you take just one a day for the month, you take a couple a day. What does that look like in general?

Marcus Fernandez (37:12.291)
Yeah. Tablets. Yeah.

Marcus Fernandez (37:21.477)
Yeah, so again, that’s again, that is also very individual. So you may, you may need it to take one one of the remedies daily for seven days. Okay. That’s it. Because remember, it’s not allopathic. So it’s like a key to a lock. So imagine you start in a you got a key. I know everything’s electric these days. But so the old key in the ignition, you get take the remedy, you turn the key in the lot and the engine starts.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (37:26.957)
Okay.

Marcus Fernandez (37:52.645)
You don’t need to keep turning the key because the engine’s already going. So the ram is like a key to your lock. It’s like it’s stimulating your vital force, prana, chi, it then starts. So only when the engine stops that you got to turn the key again.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (37:57.263)
huh.

Marcus Fernandez (38:10.917)
you with me? So it’s not, so the allopathic model is like take one every day for seven days, you know, it’s not, it’s very prescriptive. It’s not in homeopathy, you know, it’s like, again, less is more. We don’t need to have a lot of it.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (38:26.156)
And how are they determining, how is the practitioner determining what they’re gonna need to get the engine started and when that’s enough? And is that the kind of thing where it’s like, I only want you to take this for seven days and then we’re gonna have another appointment to check in? Okay.

Marcus Fernandez (38:42.917)
Or a call, a quick call, see how you’re Or I want you to take this remedy twice a week for four weeks and I’ll see you in four weeks time. It’s very individual. So it depends on people’s vitality. If you’ve got a strong vitality, you don’t need much of the remedy. If you’ve got more of a weaker vitality, say chronic disease, you may need to take a lower potency, but more often, because it’s stimulating you gently. Does that make sense?

Leigh Ann Lindsey (38:51.96)
Okay.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (39:07.35)
Yeah, you need more reminders. The body needs more reminders.

Marcus Fernandez (39:10.189)
That’s exactly it. need more. That’s the key to this. And if you really, you really summarize it really well. It’s that’s the reminder. That’s all these things are, are reminders. But also in the consultation is important. So when you’re talking, it’s not just about the remedy. So you’re talking in the call, you know, this from the work that you do is that the consultation sometimes, you know, just bringing the thing and people just suddenly remembering things or sharing with you, they, they get a realization themselves. And that’s what again, was what we want. We want you people.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (39:17.678)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (39:29.822)
yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (39:34.883)
Yeah.

Marcus Fernandez (39:39.171)
of that realization themselves.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (39:41.088)
Yeah, and that’s the space that the practitioner and the patient are co-creating together. In depth psychology, Jung would call it the transcendent function. When my unconscious meets your unconscious, we create this third.

Marcus Fernandez (39:51.021)
Absolutely.

Marcus Fernandez (39:56.111)
Well, there’s a great quote by Rumi, which I love, beyond right thinking and wrong thinking, there is a field, I’ll meet you there. And that is exactly it. It’s that therapeutic space, the space in between. That’s when the magic occurs.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (40:04.684)
Uh-huh.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (40:16.0)
So many questions. Honestly, truly, truly. When it’s making me, it’s really making me go, I might need to study homeopathy because it’s just so symbiotic. But that’s, that’ll be an aside that I sit with more. Let’s do talk about this a little bit more in the context of chronic illness. And how are you seeing it be supportive? What does it look like? And

Marcus Fernandez (40:17.106)
I need to do part two.

Marcus Fernandez (40:27.813)
you

Marcus Fernandez (40:35.557)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (40:44.298)
Is there ever a place where someone might be on a particular remedy for a prolonged period of time or no? Is it the kind of thing where you’re on this for a month, we peeled that layer, now we’re gonna go to something else?

Marcus Fernandez (40:59.449)
Well, it’s a bit of both really. mean, again, every case is different. know, again, I’ve done this a long, long time. so the most important thing is to be neutral when somebody comes in. It’s that place of neutrality because, as said, everybody’s got, that’s what I love about homeopathy. Everybody’s got a story to tell of how they got to where they’ve got to. And often they’re coming to you because you’re the last resort. They’ve tried everything else. done the allopathic medication and you’re the last resort.

So again, it’s very individual. with chronic disease, I always say for every month that you’ve had something, takes it, sorry, every year you’ve had something, takes a month to clear. If you come in and you’ve had eczema for 12 years, that’s probably gonna take 12 months to clear properly, especially if they’ve been medicated as well on top of that. Because, know, this chronic disease is a process, it’s not an event often, it’s been a process. So.

that process getting you into that chronic state, there’s a process of getting you out of the chronic state. Now, while I say to people as well, it could take a year, 12 years, it could take a year, 12 months. However, let’s review after three months and see where we are. Because I normally know after the third month, I’m going to get pro, if I’m not, if I haven’t got any progress within the third month, then I’m missing something here. So I may refer them on to a colleague that I’m, because we can all miss things or not quite see it. But

Leigh Ann Lindsey (42:14.956)
Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (42:20.386)
Yeah.

Marcus Fernandez (42:21.433)
That’s a rule of thumb for me. Now, as far as remedies are concerned, you don’t know. Some people can be on the one remedy for months and months and months because again, that layer is so thick. Again, another analogy is the iceberg. You’re dealing with that top layer and it can be so thick and then it shifts and then the next layer comes up and you change remedy. you’re following, you’re not following again a perspective allopathic way of looking at it or protocol. What you’re doing is,

is following the vital force. It’s like you’re in a dance with the vital force. The only thing that I’m listening to is that person’s vital force. And I will go where it’s gonna lead me, because you’ll always, it will always tell you what needs to be dealt with. And sometimes that can be months and then sometimes people can have a realization. I had it with a lady the other day and after taking a remedy, she had this memory come back of being sexually abused when she was a young girl.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (42:55.49)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (43:06.978)
Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (43:20.814)
Hmm.

Marcus Fernandez (43:21.401)
You know, so these things can come back. Memories can come back as you’re removing those layers. So again, it’s like back to that place of neutrality and homeopathy, we call it the unprejudiced observer. That we are neutral. You know, you’re neutral. You don’t have any expectations of what’s gonna turn up or happen. You’re just following that vital force.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (43:28.268)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (43:45.771)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, it’s so fascinating. And I guess it just seems like it could get really confusing of you’ve got the iceberg, you’ve got what’s above the water, what’s below the water. And are you as the practitioner trying to figure out, I think I kind of asked this question earlier, but yeah, maybe I’m asking the same thing. Am I treating, am I trying to go immediately?

Marcus Fernandez (44:08.303)
That’s all right. on.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (44:14.742)
to the iceberg below the water or am I intentionally going we have to start with what’s above the water?

Marcus Fernandez (44:23.299)
As a rule of thumb, so when I say about the timeline, I’ve done it this way, horizontal, but actually if you did it that way, you know, you’ve got an idea of what is there. So I’ve got a judge on that top layer there, so they’re presenting with a chronic issue. Then I’ve, again, back to the arthritis or the migraines. I can treat the migraines, but if I, from doing the timeline, I can see it started here, maybe just below the, below it, below the ice.

But I know actually this is a grief, this migraine, this migraine case has got grief as part of it. So I need a grief remedy that has migraines as part of its picture. So I will do that layer. And then the next layer will pop up, you know, and that’s really how you, that’s how you do it in a very, again, very simple way. And so you can make very chronic cases, complicated cases, really quite simple.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (45:05.858)
Okay. Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (45:22.924)
Yeah, do you have any other client case studies of a cancer or chronic illness?

Marcus Fernandez (45:28.599)
Yeah, well, just one popped in my head about a chap who came to see me. He was in chronic heart failure and he is only young. He’s only in his forties. I had a couple of kids. couldn’t work anymore. He came to see me in my clinic and he could only get up the steps because he had pulmonary edema. In fact, he had a cup with him where he would be spitting out the fluid and he’s on all this medication and things and he couldn’t work anymore and he was in a real, real sorry state.

And so I took his case and in a case like that, again, I’ll do the same thing. Tell me your symptoms of his heart pathology when it all started. And then I noticed he’d been on this medication for about 20 years. And I said, why on this medication? He said, that was for gout. I had gout when I was like 19. I went to the doctors and he gave me this medication.

I said, but you’re still taking it at 20 years. He said, yeah, yeah, they just repeat the prescription. I said, do you have a guarantee? He said, no.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (46:35.52)
my god.

Marcus Fernandez (46:38.693)
So, and before then he was a really healthy guy, know, up to the age of nine, he was really healthy. So in that case, we’re looking at a possible, I was thinking there’s something in this medication. So I gave him a remedy, so I did some research on the medication, the medication, actually it was research from America saying long-term use causes heart issues. So I knew this drug had caused his heart issue.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (47:00.014)
Mm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (47:04.462)
Mm-hmm.

Marcus Fernandez (47:05.08)
But here we’ve got a chap here with pulmiodema. So what I did was, even though I knew the drug had caused it, I gave him a remedy called Criticus, which is Hawthorneberry. You might have heard of Criticus in the US, but we’re in a homeopathic form, very low potency called a 3X. And what that does is just really supports the heart. It’s what we call an organ support in homeopathic potency, because I’ve got to get his heart functioning, you know, before we can even get to the cause of what’s going on. And so

I gave him that within 48 72 hours he contacted me said his pulmonary edema was like 80 % better. Right. After I saw him a month or had was on was on this on this critiquers month later. He was so much better. You know, we could walk fire you go for walk with the kids. This was just on this heart on it. But then I decided the cause was this drug. So in homeopathy, we can give the drug back in homeopathic potency.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (47:43.201)
Wow.

Marcus Fernandez (48:03.833)
that caused the problem in the first place. Remember the law of homeopathy. What can cause them in a large amount and a small amount, can cure it. So I gave him a, that’s called a tortopathic prescription. I gave him the drug back in homeopathic potency as well as carried on with the critiquers. Okay. After being on that for three and a half months, he was back at work.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (48:11.053)
Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (48:25.896)
Wow.

Marcus Fernandez (48:27.095)
Okay. The doctor said, what’s happening in the heart is I’m taking this remedy. He whatever you’re doing, keep on taking it. Managed to get him off all his drugs that he was on, like his diuretics and all the hearts to medication. And then I just carried it on. Now, by giving that drug, what you’re doing is not draining the drug out of his system, just getting rid of all the side effects. And then about eight or nine months later, I got a phone call from him. He said, I’m in a really bad way. I’m in so much pain, I’m in a really bad way.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (48:46.862)
Marcus Fernandez (48:57.029)
I was thinking, oh no, he’s gone backwards, what’s happened? So he texts me, that’s right, and I spoke to him on the phone. I said, what’s wrong, what’s happened? He said, oh, want me I’m in so much pain. I said, why, what’s your heart, what’s happened? He said, no, no, it’s not my heart, I’m fine. He said, I’ve got this really terrible pain in my big toe. I can’t walk, in fact, I a day off work. I said, on your right toe, what’s it like? Very painful, hot, swollen. I said, that sounds like gout. He said,

Leigh Ann Lindsey (49:23.437)
Ha!

Marcus Fernandez (49:25.699)
Yeah, this is what it was like when I had it when I was 19 and the doctors gave me that medication for. So remember I said about return of all symptoms. It had gone back to being the age of 19. And I gave him the remedy that he needed at 19, a remedy called benzoic acid, which is good for gout, homeopathic remedy, and it cleared up within 24 hours.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (49:34.35)
Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (49:47.594)
my gosh.

Marcus Fernandez (49:49.103)
So that is the power of homeopathy. So I’ve told you a lot, that’s quite a chronic case there, but what I’m trying to explain that, there’s a really good explanation, a really good example of going back through time, through the timeline, having patience, patience with the case, and just following the vital force, and only changing it when the vital force told me to change it.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (50:12.874)
Yeah, yeah. Okay, I have two last questions and I promise I’m gonna let you go because I know I’m taking you over. One is, it’s actually more of a statement that I’d love your response to, which is, we’re seeing, where there’s so much conversation right now around mold, Lyme, mast cell activation, and I see a lot of clients who…

aren’t able to even take supplements, aren’t able to even do some of these biohacking modalities because they are in such a sensitive state. And everything you’re saying to me makes me think homeopathy is one of the best places to start.

Marcus Fernandez (50:52.133)
Absolutely, because it’s so gentle. So like I saying, I really learned my trade with mothers and babies. mean, that’s when you have to be extremely gentle. you see that working and yeah, so people, so when you’re in that situation, the whole vital force is so hypersensitive. I mean, what is it? It’s like an oversensitivity of the external environment, which in homeopathy shows that the vital force is quite weak.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (50:54.382)
Hmm.

Marcus Fernandez (51:22.213)
Because to me, health is our ability to adapt to our environment. If we can’t adapt to it, then that’s health. That’s why some people get sick at the change of the seasons. Why? Because they can’t adapt to the change of the environment or a cold wind or a rainy day. But when you’ve got a strong vital force, strong chief, constitution, then you can adapt to situations. So in a situation like that, homeopathy is perfect because what it does is very gentle. And what it will do is gently.

boost that this vital force. And so it takes away that over, over sort of stimulation, been overstimulated, isn’t it? I’m trying to think of the right word. Yeah, to the external environment. So yes, it’s very gentle.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (51:54.924)
Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (52:06.85)
Yeah, I mean, there’s such a lack of vital force, it can’t even process the external supplement that’s coming in.

Marcus Fernandez (52:16.193)
Exactly, because it’s too crude. Yeah, with the homeopathy, what it will do is help lower that by strengthening the vital force, it will lower that sensitivity.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (52:28.449)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we could probably do a whole episode just on that, but yes. Okay, so last question I wanted to ask, and this is really practical. Of course, everyone go out and get Marcus’s book. We’ll make sure it’s linked in the show notes. But for someone who wants to work with a practitioner, how does one go about finding a good homeopathic or an aligned homeopathic practitioner for them?

Marcus Fernandez (52:32.441)
Yeah.

Marcus Fernandez (52:42.895)
Thank you.

Marcus Fernandez (52:51.941)
Yes. Yeah, yeah, well, there’s a lot of homeopaths around the world. I mean, we train homeopaths. I have a school of homeopathy we’ve had for 28 years here in London, but also we do online practitioner training. So we’ve got many students in America and graduates in America now. So people looking for a graduate or graduates in the states of CHE, which is my school, this contact us through the CHE website and we can put you in touch with us.

a qualified practitioner, professional homeopath, whether you have to do like a four year training or two year fast track training. So it’s really good to get somebody who’s reputable. Other good ways to go somebody who’s word of mouth as well. If know somebody who’s had great success as a homeopath, I’m not into looking at lists of practitioners. I think word of mouth is good for plumbers. It’s good for…

Leigh Ann Lindsey (53:31.043)
rate.

Marcus Fernandez (53:42.021)
mechanics, it’s good for homeopathy, know, if somebody’s really helped other people and you know, I’m a good osteopath. If I want to osteopath, I’ll say, hey, do know a good osteopath? People have had personal experience. But it’s important that you go to somebody that has had a good, really good, solid training in homeopathy. the school that I run, our training is that we, because you’ll hear classical homeopathy and you’ll hear practical homeopathy. And I founded the school, so it was

Leigh Ann Lindsey (53:44.526)
Thank

Leigh Ann Lindsey (53:52.855)
Yeah.

Marcus Fernandez (54:10.437)
or you know, because there’s politics in politics and homeopathy, you’re the classical practitioner or you’re a practical homeopath. To me, all methods of prescribing are equal. It’s like having tools in the toolbox as a homeopath, you should be able to treat anybody that walks through your door. I gave you a bit of a very complicated case there where I use to autopathy and organ support. A lot of homeopaths won’t practice like that. You know, for me, it’s using all the different ways of prescribing like tools in the toolbox.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (54:20.181)
Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (54:25.518)
Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (54:33.229)
Hmm.

Marcus Fernandez (54:38.757)
because one spanner doesn’t fit all nuts. You need different ways of treating different types of cases, especially when we live in a society which is overrun from the pharmaceutical drugs that people are taking, which complicates things as well. So yeah, that would be my advice.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (54:51.842)
Hmm.

Yeah, yeah, I love that. Well, Marcus, thank you so much. This was fascinating and just has my mind absolutely buzzing.

Marcus Fernandez (55:03.525)
Well, thank you for having me, Leigh Ann. Really enjoyed it. Thank you. And I hope people enjoyed it too as well. And I’ll say to everybody, listen, just try homeopathy. But you guys in the States, you’ve definitely got to just go and Google homeopathy in the US and the history of it. It will blow your mind.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (55:20.396)
Mm-hmm