THE ACCRESCENT™ PODCAST EPISODE 248

Leigh Ann Lindsey (00:01.641)
Well, Bruce, welcome to The Accrescent Podcast. It’s such a thrill to have you on today.

Bruce Lipton (00:06.996)
Leigh Ann, I am so honored to be with you for a very important reason. the world is facing a lot of chaos at this moment, and it’s a sign of an impending evolutionary upheaval. And the evolution will be driven by knowledge. And therefore, I want to thank you personally for being part of the positive side of conscious evolution, providing knowledge to all your listeners.

which is involving self empowerment. And this is what the evolution is all about. So thank you for being a leader, a cultural creative who is helping us all and so thank you for this honor to let me be on your show.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (00:54.995)
You’re so sweet, thank you. Like we said, there’s so many, I think there’s so much crossover and implications for the work you do with the work I do with clients and patients. But I think to set the stage for the audience, many of the audience will be familiar with your previous book, The Biology of Belief. Your new book, Beyond Darwin.

Bruce Lipton (00:56.558)
Thank you.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (01:15.731)
What I want to set the stage for is someone who’s listening, going, okay, hang on. What does evolution, you know, a cancer patient, a chronic illness patient listening who’s going, hang on, why should I listen to this? What does evolution or a theory around evolution have to do with my physical healing? And I think you set the stage for this in the book, but let’s start off right there. Why, why should this matter?

Bruce Lipton (01:38.818)
W the first thing is this. W we have been more or less programmed to perceive ourselves as victims of life. When things happen to us it’s like out of our hands, things are happening, and you have no power. Power power of less is really the programming. The evolution we’re facing is requiring empowerment and it’s personal empowerment.

To understand that we are more powerful than our programming that we had in our development led us to believe. We are very powerful creators, which then entails something called responsibility in the unfoldment of our own creation. and so there’s a change. Moving from victim to master.

is the evolutionary paradigm we’re facing right now.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (02:37.819)
Mm-hmm. So let’s get into that a little bit more. What is the, I’ll call it quote unquote old narrative around evolution, and then what is the new narrative you’re proposing?

Bruce Lipton (02:50.015)
Okay. as you see, the world right now is in a state of chaos everywhere. All the countries, whether it’s economic, political, social, racial, religious, even gender chaos, something’s going on. Now the things I just listed are symptoms of the world, the chaos, but the source of it is bigger.

than even what people are familiar with. And I say, what is causing the upheaval? And the answer is very simple. science has established that today’s civilization, right now, requires the resources from 1.6 planet Earth. I go, okay, simple math. We have one planet Earth.

Where are the extra point six resources coming from? And the answer is we’re destroying the ecosystem. We’re undermining the planet. We’re polluting air, water, soil, we’re pillaging the resources from the earth itself. And in the process our agriculture, technology

is collapsing the web of life. And the important part about this is we evolved from the web of life. If the web of life doesn’t exist, then neither can we. So we’re facing and this is scientific, and I use the emphasize the first word, irreversible meaning not going back. An irreversible collapse

of civilization within the next ten to twenty years more likely ten. I go, why? We are not sustainable. So I say, okay. I say then where are the problems? Well, number one, where are the resources coming from? That’s number one. But I say, but the resource problem is also tied to the basic problem facing civilization.

Bruce Lipton (05:14.323)
And it’s Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution. Now, Darwin did not discover evolution. Evolution was a scientific reality fifty years before Darwin, the scientists attributed to evolution is a man by the name of Lamarck, and most people don’t even know that name, but historically he founded evolution. I said what

Did Darwin offer? Not the theory of evolution, but how evolution occurs. And there are two falsehoods that are fundamental to Darwinian theory that undermine the whole damn thing. The number one falsehood is this. Darwinian theory emphasizes genetics as a source of control. in fact, the first problem here was.

when science bought into this belief that genes control life, they estimated that an organism as complex as a human would have over a hundred thousand genes, but the human genome project only showed twenty two thousand genes. I would love to say the scientists were caught red faced with their genes down. about eighty thousand

Leigh Ann Lindsey (06:38.234)
huh.

Bruce Lipton (06:42.269)
A and the point was what? Humans have the same number of genes as most primitive organisms on this planet. So the whole idea is genes are not the foundation of evolution. the idea that we are victims of our heredity comes from the belief that we didn’t pick the genes, we can’t change the genes, and then we’re informed

that the genes turn on and off by themselves. When you put all those together, a person walks away with a consciousness of I am a victim of my heredity. there’s cancer running in the family and I I could guess that gene and have cancer. First thing is this, genes do not turn on and off.

Genes are blueprints to make proteins, which are the building blocks of the body, hundred thousand proteins. And they’re the building blocks. And genes are blueprint to make proteins. I don’t know why it’s important. I say blueprints do not control themselves. Blueprints are not what is referred to as self emergent, meaning

They don’t turn on and off. That’s a complete falsehood. A complete misunderstanding. A gene is a blueprint. What works with a blueprint? An architect. An architect reads and adjusts the blueprints. I go, that architect is the mind. The human mind selects the genes and the human mind can change the readout of the genes.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (08:21.449)
Mm-hmm.

Bruce Lipton (08:37.685)
And so all of a sudden I say, well, if you believe genes control your life, you’re a victim because you have no control over genes. But when you understand consciousness, the mind controls genes, then you must recognize we must be masters because we are the ones that control our mind. If we change our mind, we change our genetic activity. So

for example, the idea of cancer, which is something you are very much working with. I just want people to know a very important fact. There’s not one gene that causes cancer. Genes do not cause cancer. Ninety percent or more of cancer is lifestyle. We are living out of harmony.

the disharmony that we’re generating in the body is actually the cause of cancer. Can I I’ll give you a simple example to emphasize it. science was looking at the fate of children adopted into family infants, adopted into family where there were cancer running in the family lineage, and they found

Leigh Ann Lindsey (10:00.627)
Mm-hmm. That they were adopted into

Bruce Lipton (10:03.061)
They and they were adopted and they found out the adopted children would get the same family cancer. But the adopted children come from totally different genetics. It wasn’t the genes, it was the programming that is passed in a cancer family. And all of a sudden I say, Yeah and the significance is if you want to change cancer

Leigh Ann Lindsey (10:17.895)
Mm-hmm.

Bruce Lipton (10:31.777)
You don’t change the genes, you don’t focus on killing cancer cells, you focus on changing the programming that is the primary source of that cancer. So, the whole idea of genes Darwinian theory totally wrong. Okay. Number two, Darwinian theory is frequently summarized as survival of the fittest in the struggle for a life.

There’s two errors major in that statement. Number one, life is not a struggle until we make it one. Life naturally is not a struggle. Life is coming from a garden. I go well what does that mean? Life is harmony. A garden is an expression of harmony of all the organisms that fit into that garden.

We came from a garden, but we are the destructive elements of that garden. Human behavior is undermining the garden and manifesting the stress, okay? But more importantly as to why is this happening and the answer was survival of the fittest. I go, Well yeah, what does that mean? Well, people don’t recognize the definition of the word fit is

Capable of surviving. So he goes, so what? I said, Well there’s a range of fitness. Some people are just fit. Some people are more fit, fitter. And some people are the fittest. Where where what is this? In Darwin’s time when he wrote the theory, England was experiencing the Victorian period. The Victorian period had an upper class.

class and a lower class. The upper class, the fittest, the rest of us, the lower class, were fit. We should have been capable of surviving. But in the Victorian mindset, the most important contributors to evolution were the upper class, the fittest. So that’s why if Darwin didn’t mention the fit. He said the fittest

Bruce Lipton (13:00.031)
in the survival, the upper class in the survival. I go, well, we’re out of the Victorian period, but we still have an upper class, so to speak, the fittest. And I say, what is it? The wealthy people, why? We attribute fitness to how much money an individual has. And that means there’s less than one percent of the population that has almost all of the money. and I go,

Yeah, the one percent as we talked about is actually a lot less. And I go, so what what’s the relevance? And here it is. Imagine the resources of the planet as a pie. And then I say, one percent takes more than half of that pie away. And I say, then what? I say, ninety-nine percent are now fighting over the leftover piece of the pie.

That’s competition. And I go, and where’s the problem? Well competition in today’s world is based on winner loser. I go, yep, I’m the winner, you’re the loser. Well in today’s world the fittest one percent are the winners and the rest of us the losers. But there’s a competition for the remaining proceeds of the planet.

And I go, yeah, the competition for survival. I go, and where’s the problem? And this is the problem. That the competition has no morality in who wins. You could you could be a brainiac like Einstein or a a dope with an oozy and I’ll tell you who’s gonna win. The dope will win. I go, What’s the problem?

Leigh Ann Lindsey (14:42.96)
Mm-hmm.

Bruce Lipton (14:58.219)
The winner of a competition for survival has no morality that they have to follow. Any way they can win, God bless them, they can win. Does that mean a f you know, a thousand people lose because I’m gonna make a move to make more money? Then so I go, so what? As long as I win, I don’t care about a thousand people. Well, behind the one percent.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (15:08.233)
Right.

Bruce Lipton (15:25.535)
It’s an amazing lack of morality to manifest that one percent. So here’s the problem. Number one problem, as I said, was the belief that we’re victims of heredity. Number two problem is the belief that competition is the drive to survive because it’s winner and loser. I go. A failure is that is not the original definition of competition. Competition original

To strive together. What the hell does that mean? It goes like this. Well, the the whole idea about striving together is this. today competitions winner lose them. And I acknowledge first of all I’m not a tennis player. I always have to say that because I use the analogy of a tennis game. If I was a tennis player and I only played

Leigh Ann Lindsey (15:59.358)
Hmm Really? That’s the etymology of that word. wow.

Hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (16:18.154)
Mm-hmm.

Bruce Lipton (16:25.495)
people who were less qualified than me, less developed and playing tennis, then I could easily beat them with no effort at all. As a matter of fact, because I don’t even have to use much of my effort, I can even lose some effort just to beat the weaker ones, no problem, okay? But the mission is to play a better player than me. I go, why? Because

I have to work harder to win. I have to improve myself to win. So now that I’m playing a match with someone who’s better, it’s for my benefit because this will encourage me to do better. Okay? So striving together means, yeah, I’m playing you but my effort is I’m gonna you know, improve my game. a and it’s not

I wanna beat you and I’m the winner and you’re the loser. That is not the mission. So part two, Darwinian theory, emphasizing competition in our consciousness is self destruction. We’re competing and destroying the environment to become the so called fittest. I have more toys. I have more money. I’m fitter than you are. I competed and what well

More toys. I say, how do you get more to more resources? we’re using the resources to accommodate being the fittest. The more toys, the more I have. Well, the more you have, where are you getting the resources? The environment. well then you’re destroying the environment. I go, yeah. Then I go, We came from the environment.

If the environment’s not here, we can’t be here. So we’re seeing our own unfolding of human behavior that is destroying it because human behavior has been shaped by Darwinian theory. And the whole idea about this is it’s a hundred percent wrong. And all that competition is doing is stressing the world. stress?

Bruce Lipton (18:52.39)
Over ninety percent of the health crisis on the entire planet. One source stress. fact how much of the health crisis is due to genetics? Less than one percent of all illness has anything to do with genetics. It’s the lifestyle

and stress. And this is why I’m honored to here to be here with you, Leigh Ann, because this is a major emphasis of your program, and helping people grow, acquiesce, to grow with knowledge. Knowledge is power. That’s the power. And providing knowledge is providing self empowerment. And

Thank you for your effort in helping us evolve.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (19:54.912)
So so many things I wanna highlight. I’d love to highlight and then go a little bit deeper into. So these two key facets of Darwinian theory that are incorrect, genetics and then survival of the fittest. I’ll start with the second first. Survival of the fittest, to your point.

It was an evolutionary theory that served the purpose of the Victorian era, which is we want to conquer, we want to go out and conquer all of these other lands, all of these other nations. But the bigger point that you’re making is when we establish this as the basis of evolution, it becomes self-fulfilling prophecy. That now affects the way we’re looking at and we could look at this through any lens, sociology, ecology.

The way we run businesses, medicine, science, et cetera. And I think the point you’re making that’s so powerful that I want the audience to understand is with this maybe outdated Darwinian theory, it is therefore influencing the way we look at all of these things. And if we can shift that theory into what you’re calling conscious evolution, and we’ll get into that.

How does that change the way we approach every single facet of living? And it has echoes of ancestral wisdom, right? Indigenous Americans knew how to live in harmony. And it wasn’t about harvest as much as we can harvest and kill all the deer. They really understood reciprocity and sustainability. And that impacted the every single facet of their lives.

And we’ve gotten so far away from that. The point I want to bring us to really quickly, and then I’ll toss the mic back to you, is as you were describing these in your book, it the parallel for me in the work I do with cancer patients is I can absolutely see Darwinian theory playing out even in the verbiage we use with cancer, which is it’s all war verbiage.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (21:59.2)
Fight cancer, kill the cancer, win the battle. And that’s not to say that anyone is it’s not inherently wrong, but it is the same premise of here we go, another battle, another chance to be survival of the fittest, but now it’s a war within ourselves. And I actually think a lot of my work is trying to shift that perspective. But I wanted to point out that parallel and then hear your perspective.

Bruce Lipton (22:20.948)
Yeah. Well it’s important because you did, and let me just add something important about that. medicine is seeking the war on cancer is to kill the cancer cells. I’m gonna tell you something. That’s a stupid idea for this. Those cells already have cancer. How did the cells get cancer? It’s not brought up in that effort.

You’re just killing the ones that already have cancer and never dealing with the source of cancer. So you can kill as many cancer cells as you want, but if you don’t understand what caused the cancer, killing cancer cells does nothing. It does not help you get to the root cause of cancer. So it’s a misdirection. I’ll kill the sense cancer cells and you get better. I said

If you didn’t change the source of cancer, so what? It’ll come back because you did not affect that. I just wanted to emphasize that.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (23:28.721)
Absolutely. I think this is a huge and thankfully there’s so much more in integrative oncology. Most of the patients I’m working with are pursuing some form of maybe conventional but paired with integrative oncology that’s looking at the environment, which we’ll get into in a second.

So I I could go on and on and on, but I think what I want to pause is, okay, we’ve outlined Darwinian’s theory. What is this new perspective you’re proposing? What is conscious evolution? What is the new narrative behind that?

Bruce Lipton (23:59.873)
Okay. Well, genes don’t turn on and off what controls them. I say consciousness controls the genes. I go what? It’s a new theory. It’s actually my original book twenty years ago, Biology of Belief, it’s a new science, the s the public is actually just getting awareness of this, even though I’ve talked about it for twenty years, called epigenetics. I go

Genetics epigen w w why? I say epi means above. That’s why we call skin epidermis. I say why? Because the skin is a layer above another layer underneath. The underneath layer is called dermis. Skin is above dermis. It’s epidermis, okay?

Epigenetics is control epigen above the genes. Epigenetics above the genes. I go, what is it? The mind, our interpretation of the world, our ability to adjust our biology to manifest our beliefs about the world. I go, why is this problematic? And I go, because most of our beliefs about the world

and how it operates, especially based on Darwinian theory, are completely wrong. And we’re adjusting our biology not to the real world, but our perception of the world. And if our perceptions are off, then our genetics are off. And all of a sudden it says, Well, then if you want to cure cancer, you don’t kill the cancer cells, you change your perceptions of life.

the beliefs that you bought and are manifesting in your body that are not in harmony with the beliefs of the garden in which we live. I mean the idea that life is a struggle, let’s look at it very simply. A garden is not a struggle. A garden is the height of community. I go, yeah, every organism in the garden

Bruce Lipton (26:27.816)
Is providing a support to manifest the garden. The only issue in today’s garden is us because we’re the one that’s not living in harmony with it. We’re destroying the garden. And as we destroy the environment on the outside, that behavior is destroying the environment on the inside. So our health is a reflection of what

Leigh Ann Lindsey (26:38.357)
Right.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (26:42.148)
Mm-hmm.

Bruce Lipton (26:57.472)
going on in the garden. We’re being destructive in the garden. We’re being destructive in our own life because of our behavior.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (27:07.867)
Mm-hmm. And I think this idea of

Cooperation, sustainability, reciprocity, we we’re doing this zoom in, zoom out, right? Where we’re we’re talking about how does this affect the world, how does this affect society? But I’m always gonna keep bringing this back to how does this affect cancer care and chronic illness care? Because that’s my unique lens. And what I see that is so different about that is if we shift from a Darwinian way of treating cancer, quote unquote, to a conscious evolution way of treating cancer, it’s

Shifts back to hang on, we’re not, my cells aren’t at war with each other. In fact, they’re all here working for my highest good. They’ve been living in an environment that they’re having a hard time with. So what do they need? What do they not have enough of that they need more of? Where is there too much of something that they might need less of? But it completely changes the way in which we look at the body. And I think this is so powerful because so many clients I work with, there’s this feeling of my body has.

betrayed me. I’m broken. This has happened. And and that can be so disheartening. And also part of I think the limiting consciousness that then affects how treatment goes. But to be able to go, I I so often tell clients,

Bruce Lipton (28:12.117)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (28:24.711)
We all actually have cancer cells and the body is designed to clear them out and process them. So we’re not asking why did you get cancer? What we’re asking is why was your body no longer able to stay in harmony with these cancer cells?

Bruce Lipton (28:42.164)
let’s put it a very simple point. How are cells controlled? Many years ago, forty, fifty, I I learned when growing stem cells and stem cells are very important, especially in cancer, okay? Stem cells are embryonic cells. I go, Yeah, but they’re in my body and I say w well because you’re now born, we changed the name from embryonic cell to stem cell, but

It’s an embryonic cell. Why have embryonic cells? This is a little interesting fact, right? Every second three and a half million cells die. Three and a half million cells die. Another three and a half million cells die. Another three and a half million cells die. I go, Well, how long can you live if you’re losing three and a half million cells a second? And the answer is

As long as you can replace them, you’re gonna be okay. I go, and yeah, what replaces them? I say stem cells. I say, and what are they? Embryonic cells. They can become anything. And that’s how they replace all the dying cells in your body. So I go, Okay, great. We have stem cells. I say, and what controls the fate of the stem cells?

Leigh Ann Lindsey (30:04.873)
What determines what the stem cell becomes? Mm-hmm.

Bruce Lipton (30:08.0)
Yes. Fifty years ago I was cl well cloning cloning a stem cell, meaning I put one stem cell in petri dish by itself. It divides every ten hours about. At the end of a week I have thirty thousand cells in the dish, but they all came from one parent. So I have thirty thousand genetically identical cells. I grow cells in a fluid called case.

culture medium which I make in a lab. So the environment the cells are in is the fluid called culture medium. And I say and the chemistry of culture what what is the chemistry? I go culture medium is the laboratory version of blood. So if I grow human cells, I say what’s human blood have in it?

And then I make it and put it in culture dishes and the cells grow. But now here comes the fact. If I change the chemistry of the culture medium a little bit, I change the fate of the cells. In culture medium chemistry A, the cells form muscle. Change the chemistry culture medium B, the cells form bone. Change the culture medium chemistry again.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (31:09.17)
Mm-hmm.

Bruce Lipton (31:33.129)
In dish C the cells formed fat cells. Point. The fate of the cells was not determined by genetics. They all had the same genes. The fate was determined by the chemistry of the environment, the culture medium. Now one step. You body skin covered culture dish with fifty trillion cells. It’s a culture.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (32:01.641)
Mm-hmm.

Bruce Lipton (32:02.612)
I I’m a culture dish, okay? And I have the original culture medium. Blood. Okay? And I go, yeah, the blood chemistry controls the fate of my cells. I go, yes, that’s what it showed in the experiment. Now comes a question What controls the chemistry of the blood? The mind. The brain is actually the chemist.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (32:04.745)
Mm-hmm.

Bruce Lipton (32:33.014)
But what chemistry the brain should put into the body is based on the picture in the mind. So for example, if I have love in my mind, my brain releases wonderful chemistry, dopamine pleasure, oxytocin, bonding. Growth hormone does what it says. Enhances your growth, your vitality.

When people fall in love, they’re healthy. I say, but what if I have fear? different chemistry for fear. Stress hormones and chemicals that adjust and affect the immune system. I go so as I change my thought, my brain changes the chemistry, the chemistry goes into the blood and then sent to the cells and the chemistry epigenetically

adjust the genes of the cells. So basically my thoughts are the engineer behind the fate of the cells. Do I have positive thoughts or negative thoughts? what do you mean? I go, Well the thoughts determine the chemistry. positive thoughts. I go or some people go, positive thinking, that doesn’t work. I go, hey

The placebo effect known for almost a hundred years. I say, what is it? you have a chronic illness and the doctor says I I got brand new pill just for you. Great. It was designed for your illness. This pill You take the pill, you get better. And then you find out the pill was a sugar pill. And I say, Did the sugar pill heal you?

No! It was the belief in the sugar pill that heals you. That’s positive belief. Now comes the problem. I say what? Well, everyone said positive belief. Positive belief. I go, yeah, what about negative belief? I go, equally powerful and controlling your life, but it works in the opposite direction.

Bruce Lipton (34:55.581)
A negative belief can cause any disease, cancer. It can even kill you. I go, and the negative beliefs, I say, they’re expressed as stress. The more stress you’re under, the more negative chemistry you release into the blood, which in turn controls the fate of the cells. A cancer cell

doesn’t have any cancer genes necessary. A normal, healthy cell can become a cancer cell with chemistry that is not supporting vitality. And I say chemistry, I say thoughts that are not supporting vitality. And therefore if I say if I want to heal chemistry, do I kill the cells? I go, well if they get in the way, yeah. But if they’re not in the way

Killing cancer cells didn’t help you. Why? The cell already has the cancer. You didn’t ask how the cell got the cancer. Change the belief and the cancer cell will change. And that you cause it by belief, you cure it by belief. That’s how it works.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (36:10.248)
Yeah.

So two points I want to make with this. One is in conventional psychology, and I’m on a mission to change the way cancer is treated in conventional medicine, but in integrative oncology, we’ve gotten to a point now where we do understand more the environment and what is going on deeper. So there’s a lot of emphasis on where are their toxins present that are overwhelming the system, where are their nutrients missing and the environment.

That is affecting the rest of the biology. But a part of my work is to go, and the emotions and the unconscious are also a part of that environment. And so even in integrative oncology, there’s all of this amazing emphasis on what is the root cause. And in my opinion, there’s still not enough emphasis on the piece of the environment that’s the unconscious.

Bruce Lipton (37:05.767)
This is a very critical part of what you’re describing. I’ll say, What is it? There’s an environment out here and there’s an environment in here. The two environments are not connected. My skin is a a device that shuts out the enti external environment and only lets in what my mind wants to let in. And if you’re talking about the

environment. You say the outside environment is causing it? I say, no. It’s the inside environment that causes it. I say, yeah, and the inside environment is separate from the outside environment. I say, yeah, then what controls the inside environment? And then we go back to consciousness. And all of a sudden it says you can live in a toxic external environment as long as your mind maintains

a holistically healthy internal environment. So blaming the external environment again takes away responsibility. the environment caused I say no, it’s your response to the environment that ends up causing it. It’s your perception. The external environment is not as effective in influencing your health. It’s the internal environment

And the controlling mechanism, consciousness. And all of a sudden I say, Then health is an issue of consciousness. I go, Exactly. And this is what integrated medicine should be emphasizing that, yes, it’s the environment, but don’t keep focusing the external environment can have a negative effect because it will negatively affect your perception, okay? But

It’s not directly the problem. The direct problem is how the mind says what can come in or out of the body is controlled by this mind. So you know, doctors go through all of the wards with all of the sick people and they don’t end up being sick. I go, but they’re in the same environment. You know, because their belief system

Bruce Lipton (39:31.205)
I’m the doctor. I can’t get sick. I’m the doctor. And therefore, consciousness has prevented them from catching the the disease of all the patients they work with. You know? People flu season is coming. That’s an advertisement. I say what? It already makes you believe that a flu is going to affect you

Because it’s a season and therefore you should get the shot. I go to me that’s a bunch of BS. that means a belief system. and and the important part about it is what? I just walk through with consciousness. I’m not getting a flu. I have things to do. I don’t have time for that. So do I get a flu shot? No. I do I get a flu? No.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (40:09.375)
Hmm.

Bruce Lipton (40:29.641)
Am I an alien? No. I’m just not buying the consciousness of a flu. The consciousness of cancer? A woman finds out she has a breast cancer gene. What do you think the consciousness of that woman has what happened to her when that diagnosis came in? Fear. The first thing fear. I can get a cancer. I say

That’s a belief system and it’s dangerous because all you have to be is out of harmony and hold that belief system and you sure as hell are gonna get cancer. More than half of half the women with the cancer gene don’t get cancer. Why? The gene didn’t cause cancer. It was the lifestyle and the perceptions that caused the cancer, and that we have control over.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (41:28.66)
Right.

Bruce Lipton (41:28.693)
All of a sudden it says mastery, knowledge. Well this is why Leigh Ann’s program is here, my friends. Why? You need mastery. It’s not coming from outside. It’s coming from your consciousness on the inside.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (41:46.166)
So tell me about the balance now because part two of your book goes into you speak a little bit of your own experience with lung cancer, getting diagnosed with lung cancer at eighty. Tongue cancer, I’m sorry, tongue, tongue cancer. The symbolism.

Bruce Lipton (41:55.872)
No, no, no, no. Tongue cancer. Well, it’s very important because the emphasis of the cancer is why did it affect my tongue? there’s not that many in relative numbers of cancer. Tongue is not a big deal compared to other things that have cancer. And the point is this there was a belief behind my cancer. Not a virus, not a gene.

I had to stop and say, What is causing my cancer? I I didn’t start with a gene. No I started with what consciousness am I holding? And the answer is simply this. For over twenty years I knew Darwinian theory of evolution was not just wrong, but causing the great problems on this planet. And for twenty years I had a whole new

Theory based on the current science, not Darwinian science from a hundred and fifty years ago. I’m talking today’s science offers us the insight and being a scientist, I have the insight. My belief was involved with why my tongue? Why my tongue? Answer For twenty years I had the theory of evolution, but I didn’t publish it. Why? I kept thinking, who am I?

I’m Bruce. Not the tree Charles Darwin. No, I mean Bruce. So you know I figured and for the longest time I started lecturing more and more. And then that became the excuse. I’m lecturing too much to write a book. So the universe said, Yeah? Well here. Boom, cancer of the tongue. How’s your lecturing going?

Leigh Ann Lindsey (43:52.287)
Uh-huh. Yeah.

Bruce Lipton (43:52.648)
It’s not I couldn’t lecture ’cause my tongue wasn’t working. So what? Say stop talking, write the book. I finished the manuscript not that long ago. The book is impressed right now, be out august eighteenth. But the point is what? Once I resolved writing the book, the healing began.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (43:58.803)
Yeah.

Bruce Lipton (44:22.429)
And my last scan, which was only last week, said there’s no more cancer left in me. I go, and how’s that happen? I use my attention to say what am I dealing with that I’m out of harmony? Where’s my life not working right? you didn’t write a book. And you’ve known it for twenty years? Done.

And done. And that’s it. So I want people to know that a cancer is just a symptom, not the problem. It will become the problem if you don’t deal with what caused the cancer. It wasn’t a genes, no. It’s something going on in your life you’re not paying attention to. And there’s a couple of beliefs

Leigh Ann Lindsey (44:53.044)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (45:17.31)
Yeah.

Bruce Lipton (45:21.949)
that because biology of belief, of course, it was the whole idea is, that especially women, e end up having problem with. One of them is and this affects eighty to ninety percent of all humans, a belief that is undermining us. The belief is they they will not test positive for I love myself.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (45:51.061)
Hmm.

Bruce Lipton (45:51.648)
I go, why? Why don’t you love yourself? Eighty to ninety percent of people will not t test positive. Why? Because we were criticized as children under age seven, which is when programming begins. I say we have been downloading programs of self criticism. And then therefore when we look at ourselves, especially if you don’t love yourself,

How can you be loved by somebody else? Think about it. If you don’t love yourself and somebody says they love you, you look at them and go, what, you don’t have any quality control? Huh? I know I’m not lovable. What’s wrong with you? Okay, that. But let me tell you the bigger one for women. Again, ninety percent or or so will not test positive for I am safe.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (46:32.831)
Ha ha

Bruce Lipton (46:50.901)
When a woman grows up from a baby girl, females are not safe in the world that we have created and there’s a belief of not being safe. Well not being safe is a fear. I’m afraid. I’m living in fear. I am not safe. The fear is the stress. The stress is the cause of the problem.

And all of a sudden I say, get over heredity has nothing to do with it. Recognizing your belief system is controlling it. Why? Because the resolution is not in drugs, not in surgery. The resolution is changing consciousness. Now I’m redundant to dear Leigh Ann, who’s been telling you that every week

i in the program, I’m just telling you from a point of a cell biologist and pioneer in the field of epigenetics, how mind controls the genes.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (47:54.974)
Right.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (48:03.187)
Yeah. My whole I have one big question I wanna close us with, but I’ll speak for a second to my whole dissertation is going to be on the archetypes of cancer because I see such clear patterns with each cancer type.

And the rough thing that I feel like I’m observing though is I think all illness, whether it’s cancer or MS or Hashimoto’s, has some form of communication beneath it, a message for us to receive and interpret and hear.

And so for me it’s okay, so what’s different about cancer? Why is the message with cancer different? And it’s really interesting because I feel like the pattern I’m seeing is cancer shows up when we are in danger of not fulfilling our life purpose.

And then it gets even the message gets even more specific with where the cancer manifests because it’s almost I really feel like it is the psyche saying, Leigh Ann, you’re in danger of not living your life purpose. I I had early stage breast cancer at twenty five.

You’re in danger of not living your life purpose. And I’m gonna give you a clue as to what’s blocking you from that. And it’s related to your breasts, and it’s related to the symbolism there and the trauma there, et cetera. And so that is really, I think, the essence of what my dissertation is gonna be on and trying to make a bigger case for that. But I’m sharing that kind of theory for the first time here.

Bruce Lipton (49:27.615)
Well th this is exactly the whole foundation of the epigenetics. It’s what what thought are you manifesting? here’s a very important if you were taking notes, here’s a very important phrase. The function of the mind is to create coherence between your belief and your reality.

If you believe something negative, the function of the mind is to manifest the negative experience so you can say, Yep, see I knew it. See, I was right. And I go, Well that’s the problem. And especially since most of our thoughts are negative. If that’s the if that’s the source and our lives cannot be positive if we keep manifesting negative thoughts.

And the diseases you mentioned, you know, like MS and cancer, Hashimoto, these are self destruction. Autoimmune disease means self destruction. We’re killing ourselves, not from the outside, but from the inside. And we have to really manifest a change in the belief. Why? If I have

positive programs and my mind’s job is to manifest positive programs. And if it’s a negative program, a function of mine is to manifest that with the same power as manifesting a positive one. But a negative program is is self destruction.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (51:09.321)
Mm-hmm. So here’s the question I have to close this with because what I see so much with clients is the positive thinking isn’t working. And for me, they come in and I go, there’s a big difference between positive thinking that really changes the unconscious narrative versus emotional bypass.

And what I feel like I see with so many clients is the positive thinking that results in emotional bypass. I’m not actually metabolizing this, I’m not actually tending my soul in this, isn’t helping them heal. It’s making them sicker. And so how do we reckon with this, Bruce? Of I wanna change my thoughts, but I wanna make sure I’m actually processing things, not just painting over a moldy wall. This is sometimes the metaphor I’ll give.

Bruce Lipton (51:56.531)
Okay. The the whole point about it the mind is in control. I say the mind. The mind sounds like there’s one mind. I go, that is the problem. There are two minds and they’re interdependent. The conscious mind, which is right behind your forehead, about ten percent of the brain, is the creative mind. The mind with wishes and desires.

Happiness, health, you know, all the things you want. The subconscious mind, which is about ninety percent of the brain is zero evolutionarily first, is a habit mind, programs, habits. Okay? And the issue about it is this the conscious mind being the creative mind is the one that can manifest health, wellness, wishes, and desires. But the conscious mind

Can also do something different. I go, What do you mean? Instead of running the show, the conscious mind can think.

What does that mean? If the conscious mind is looking out, then you are controlling yourself, your outer experience with wishes and desires. imagine your body’s a vehicle and there’s a windshield and the conscious mind is looking out and driving you to wishes and desires. But then I say, What if the conscious mind is thinking and all of a sudden I go?

my god, I say why? Thinking is not looking out. Thinking is looking in. A thought is on the inside. The moment you are thinking, consciousness is not looking out the windshield. Well what what if you’re driving a car and all of a sudden say when I get to the store and I’m gonna buy this and this and this and I go, you are now thinking.

Bruce Lipton (54:00.905)
I go, the moment you were thinking, you were no longer looking out the windshield of your car. Your conscious mind was inside. I said, Well but while I was thinking car was driving okay. I didn’t hear anybody, I know action, driver speed limit. I go and this is the point. The subconscious mind, the habit mind.

The mind with the programs is an autopilot, meaning what? The moment you are thinking you have let go of the outer world and at that moment the subconscious program autopilot takes over. It’s a million times more powerful than the conscious mind as a processor. And so when you’re thinking while you’re driving a car, you’re not paying attention.

But the program steps in and drives the car. So whatever you are thinking about, you’re not controlling anymore. Now the subconscious is. Well, sixty percent or more of your subconscious programs are self sabotaging, disempowering, okay, or limiting in your belief.

Sixty percent of your programs are negative. I guess so why is that important? How much time do we think? I say why is that important? Because that’s how much time the conscious mind is not controlling our life. And the answer is ninety five percent of the day our life is controlled by autopilot.

programs in the subconscious because the conscious mind is thinking ninety five percent of the day. You are not controlling your life with your wishes and desires. You are unconsciously controlling your life with your program and most of those programs are disempowering. And I say, Yeah, but you would see that you were

Bruce Lipton (56:26.984)
sabotaging your life, I go, No, you see, if you’re thinking, you’re not even observing your own behavior. Your own behavior is a reflection of what you downloaded. And I say, but you cannot see your own program because you’re not paying attention. You’re thinking. Problem? Everybody else sees and responds

To your program. The one you don’t even see you’re playing. And if there’s a negative program, what do you think the response from the outside is going to be? Negative. And I say, Will you see your own participation? Absolutely not. I go, that’s the problem that the whole thing hinges on right now. And Leigh Ann is getting to that point. I said, What’s that?

I say you don’t see your own program, and if it’s self sabotaging, your whole life will never manifest the wishes and desires and more likely will manifest an illness or disease that matches the bad programming that you don’t even see you’re playing. And the issue is this we have been led to believe we are victims. The truth is.

We unconsciously are the masters of our life. And if you can’t see the unconscious, you have no idea that you are even involved with control. You’re looking at outside people as the source of your problem and not recognizing you were the one that were broadcasting negative beliefs that people were responding to.

And so the evolution has to become awareness of your program. Do you have awareness of your program? No. Why not? You were programmed three months before birth. You were programmed a whole year from zero to one. You were programmed another whole year from one to two. I say, you have no conscious memory of those programs. And yet they’re the foundational programs that

Bruce Lipton (58:54.972)
your life is being run by and you have n you can’t tell me the program you got before you were born. Tell me the program you got when you were a month old. you can’t tell me that. And so there’s a problem and I’ll just help very quickly before we conclude and here it is. Ninety five percent of your life is the program. Your life is a printout of your program. I go

So I go simple. Right now, look at your life and recognize a simple fact. The things you like that come into your life, they come in because you have programs to acknowledge those things. But the things you want, wish for, desire, things you struggle over, you work hard. I’m gonna make it happen. I I’m putting a lot of effort in. I’m gonna make it happen.

Those things that you’re working hard on, the destination you’re seeking, why are you struggling? And the answer is your programs don’t support that. And you’re trying to override your program. Okay? So the issue is when you look at your life and you want health or you want relationship or you want a better job.

And you’re struggling to get any of those things, it’s not because you can’t have them. It’s because your invisible, subconscious programs are sabotaging you ninety-five percent of the day. And if you change the programs, you become empowered. And that’s the nature of how to succeed.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (01:00:42.002)
Mm-hmm.

And that could be a whole nother hour long conversation, but I know that you’re I know

Bruce Lipton (01:00:50.256)
It is, it is. A and just can I say it maybe in in a minute if I can. There are only three ways to change a program. talking to yourself is zero program change. I go why? Well who are you talking to? I’m talking to subconscious. I go, there’s nobody in the subconscious. So nobody’s listening. So stop talking to yourself as changing the program.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (01:00:56.447)
Please.

Bruce Lipton (01:01:19.412)
How can you change the program? The only way you got the program. First seven years you were in a state called theta brain vibration below consciousness. You weren’t even conscious for seven years. You were in theta, which is imagination. and that’s what children live under seven. Real world, imaginary world, same thing. Imagination, imaginary friends,

The famous imaginary tea party, pouring nothing into the cup, drink nothing, and then exclaim that was the best tea I ever had. Imagination. Theta is hypnosis. And every night when you go to bed when consciousness disconnects, the moment you fall asleep, that’s disconnect. The brain for a short period is in theta. Earbuds in earphones.

Playing programs of what you want to be true, self hypnosis. Every night, go to bed, play the program, and as you fall asleep, the moment you fall asleep, theta is an operation, theta is hypnosis, short period of time, you have to repeat it over and over. Okay. You got programs after age seven. You go, you drive a car. But you’re playing music instruments.

And how how would you learn those? Repetition, habituation. You wanna change a program? Create a new habit and practice and practice and practice because that’s how a new habit becomes a program, okay? And lastly, there’s something new, necessity is the mother of invention.

Human civilization has a necessity to rapidly change the behavior that is undermining us and the world. a new type of psychology called energy psychology. It’s a variety of psychology that says how you got your program is irrelevant. Who did what to who your mom did this, your daddy, that your fr that’s irrelevant. Why? You already have the program.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (01:03:36.277)
Hmm.

Bruce Lipton (01:03:44.851)
What you want to do is identify the program and change the program. Going back irrelevant. My website Bruce Lipton dot com. Under resources I have about twenty five different modalities of energy psychology, offering a paragraph describing the modality and a website to get to

the source of that modality. Point energy psychology you can change a belief you had your whole life, forty, fifty years in minutes and walk away. Energy psychology induces super learning, which is the ability of the brain to download new behavior in minutes. So so you think self hypnosis

Habituation, energy psychology. You want to change the program? Do that. Why change the program? Simple. If I made my wishes and desires as programs, that would mean whether I’m being conscious and manifesting wishes and desires, or if I’m thinking and my autopilot takes over, but is playing wishes and desires, I’ll have it. And that’s

The game is all about take your power back.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (01:05:15.163)
my gosh, Bruce, this is just so thrilling and exciting. And I know we could go on and on and on. So I’ll try to be respectful of your time. But to that end, you know, we’ll make sure that your website, your previous books, and also the new book Beyond Darwin is going to be linked in the show notes when this episode goes live. Thank you so much. What an absolute joy and an honor to get to sit down with you today.

Bruce Lipton (01:05:40.584)
Leigh Ann, I am honored that you have given me this opportunity to talk to your community. And I love it because your community is there because they want to seek empowerment. And so what you do, what I do, we can help your community advance and become the powerful creators that we naturally are.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (01:06:06.748)
Absolutely.