THE ACCRESCENT™ PODCAST EPISODE 200

[00:00:00] Hello, welcome back to the Accrescent Podcast. I’m your host, Leigh Ann Lindsey. Here we are. We made it to the 200th episode of this show. Kelly and I sit down and we are doing kind of a q and a, as well as talking a little bit about the origin of the podcast and honestly, the struggles I have been through over the last five years.

To keep this podcast going and how I struggled for a long time with consistency and even self-sabotage, I think, in being able to put out this show consistently, but how there was so much resolve behind it. And so I did wanna jump on and just give a quick little solo intro as a thank you to everyone who has listened for years to all the new listeners who maybe have recently joined us.

This is such a labor of love for me, but also such a form of [00:01:00] self-expression. I was telling Kelly that, especially in human design as I’m a manifesting generator, I love to be involved and engaged and like express myself in a lot of different ways. And so the client work I do absolutely lights me up and fills my soul and that’s a very specific thing.

And so getting to have this podcast where I get to have more casual conversations on a huge range of topics, even though I do this because I want to be able to get this information out to you guys, I also really do it for me because I love it and it lights me up so much and it allows other inner parts of myself that don’t always get to come out and be expressed to be seen, heard, and honored.

It is such a joy that you guys allow me to continue to do this by listening and by tuning in each week. And I think it’s worth taking an episode to celebrate. I did a quick Google search and [00:02:00] realized 90% of podcasts. End after the first 10 episodes. Most podcasters don’t make it past the first 10 episodes and only 3% of podcasts make it to 200.

And that number really blew me away. I did not expect it to be so low, and I really do think it’s worth celebrating. I tend to have a pattern of achieving things and then just sort of being like, well, yeah, I expected that. I always wanted to do that. And so I don’t celebrate and I don’t thank myself and I don’t give myself a pat on the back.

And so this was just, I think, a sweet, fun way to honor the effort and the grind, and the struggle and the overcoming that has gone into getting to this 200th episode. So this is just a fun, playful episode where we went through a number of different audience. Questions that you guys had submitted through Instagram.

Kelly asked a few of her own questions. [00:03:00] And then what I wanted to just quickly let you know is we weren’t able to get to it in the actual episode, although we had intended to a number of our favorite episodes over the last two hundreds. So in the show notes, there will be a little section of Kelly’s favorite episodes and Leigh Ann’s favorite episodes in a condensed version, if you guys wanna go back and see, ’cause there really are such gold episodes from.

Years ago that I’m sure if you’re a new listener, you probably didn’t go back to listen to, but there’s really some phenomenal conversations. And so this was a fun chance to get to highlight the best conversations I’ve had over all the last five years. It’s so hard to choose. I had such a long list of episodes.

I really had to try to refine it down to the ones that I felt just were the most powerful. Still linger with me today that I still reference all the time. So with that, please enjoy this conversation. Thank you all [00:04:00] so much for being here. This is such a gift. I love what I get to do and I’m so happy that you guys are a part of it.

Okay, well, here we are. 200th episode. Honestly, I actually feel like it’s just hitting me now.

Even though you and I, Kelly, we’ve been talking about this for a few weeks now, kind of planning it and preparing for it. True actually. It’s true. It is kind of That’s a big achievement. Yeah, it’s a huge achievement. 200 episodes. That’s so many guests. It’s so many topics. It’s so much time and energy spent pouring into this, and I’m so excited to ask you.

Put you in the hot seat, Leigh Ann. You’re the, you’re the guest now and we wanna hear from you. I’m so excited to jump in on that. I think it’s gonna be really fun. We were chatting off air of wanting to reflect a bit on just the evolution and the alchemy of this podcast and what a journey it’s been for me, a little bit [00:05:00] of, of the behind the scenes of what it’s been like for me to set it up but keep it going, try to keep it going, the self-sabotage that’s happened over the years with this.

Um, and then, yeah, I, when I, when I put up the poll on Instagram, I was like, you know what I really want this to be is a chance for you guys, the audience, to get to engage with me in a way that we don’t normally get to. And so I think the q and A will be really fun to just have like a little bit more of a casual, fun, kind of chit chatty conversation about any number of different things.

We’ll see where it leads us. I love it. I love it. Okay, well let’s kick it off with the evolution of this podcast. You started at five years ago, correct? Yeah. So 2020, what a time it was. Oh. Um, so you decided to start this podcast and then, you know, how, take us through like kind of an overview of the last five years, what it’s been like.

Yeah, I mean, it was pretty wild because it was 2019 that I had decided to launch the [00:06:00] podcast. I had done the branding and the artwork and all the logistical things to set it up. Learning how to edit a show, buying the tech, um, learning how to upload it and host it and all those things. And then literally, I.

I think I launched it in February of 2020. Oh my God. And so then a month later, not only did COVID hit and the world shut down, I got, you know, an early stage breast cancer diagnosis. My partner and I split up, I moved out, I lost my job. Everything sort of collapsed. Mm. And something that I was telling you about is actually how I’ve never been able to consistently release podcast episodes.

So I think I launched the podcast in February, and I don’t know, maybe by April, I like stopped recording because I was in the thick of all these cancer treatments. I had no job. I was completely overwhelmed and [00:07:00] depleted. And, and so that’s, that’s kind of one piece that I think is interesting to touch on is actually come August of this year, this will be the first year that I’ve released an episode.

Every single week consistently. Huge. And that feels like such a massive achievement for me. And I have to shout out you, of course, Kelly, because you’re literally you and then Alan, our podcast editor. You two are literally the only reason that is even physically possible. Because you know, in the beginning I was doing every single piece from A to Z.

Yeah. Reaching out to guests, booking them, researching them, creating questions, doing the episode, editing the entire thing. Yeah, uploading it to our hosting site, putting it on the website, promoting it. I mean, oh my God. Actually, when I look back at how much it took, I’m very, very proud of that past self.

And then also I think there’s also where that grace comes [00:08:00] in. I’m like, yeah, it takes a lot to maintain something like this and be able to do it consistently. But what we were kind of talking about to that end is. I think it’s really easy. I do this all the time from the outside looking in on someone else going whatever.

Like it must be so easy for them to maintain this podcast and yeah, it’s just such smooth sailing and they have everything going and that really has not been the case at all. I mean, even to sit here and say, you know, by the end of this month it will be the first time I’ve ever been able to put out an episode consistently for a year and I’m five years in is a lot.

It has totally been a bumpy journey, a start, stop journey, and yet the, the podcast represents I think, so much self-expression for me. There are like parts of myself that get to come out. Through this show that maybe don’t always get to come out in other [00:09:00] places. Or when I’m in the PhD program and when I’m working with clients, that’s like a very specific facet of myself.

And then there’s this other kind of facet of myself that also wants to be able to be seen, heard, honored, and expressed. And so I think that’s why like there could have been so many points along these five years that I just was like, it’s too much. I can’t do it. I’m letting it go. Yeah. And yet like there was always such a strong resolve of like, no, I need to find a way to keep this going.

Yeah. It’s a massive undertaking. I don’t know how people like a one woman show on a podcast. I think when you listen to podcasts, there’s not a thought in your brain that thinks like. This must take a lot. I don’t, unless you’re doing it, you don’t know the effort that’s behind the scenes to actually pull a podcast out of your mouth, into your computer and upload it into, you know, Spotify and Apple Music.

I mean, it’s a Herculean effort and [00:10:00] I really applaud you because it takes a lot I. Had my own podcast and I only lasted nine months, Leigh Ann, nine months before I was like, packing it up. This is too much. So I really get it like I do, and it does take a village, Alan editor is amazing, and you somehow show up with so much capacity every Monday to meet guests and just have this full blown conversation with them, oftentimes back to back, which probably people don’t even realize.

You know? Like you have multiple conversations in a day that you’re just like digging deep for. So it’s pretty incredible. You mentioned something about self-sabotage though, so go into that a little bit. Like what were the points of self-sabotage in this journey of podcasting? Yeah. Well you know what’s so interesting with this is there’s literally statistics to back it up in that, in my podcast host that I use, you can see download statistics and all those analytics and it was so stark.

I would look at, I would have a [00:11:00] month where I had. The most downloads I’ve ever received. And then the next month it would absolutely drop because I would stop publishing episodes and then it would happen again where I’d, I’d start publishing consistently, my downloads and listeners would go way, way up.

And then as soon as it reached that highest peak that I’d reached, like it would completely drop off. Mm-hmm. And I would stop recording and, uh, at some point I had to go, okay, this pattern is too stark to ignore. Mm-hmm. As soon as I reach like the peak success that I’ve achieved thus far with this show, I somehow find a reason to go.

It’s too much. I can’t do it anymore. And sabotage it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And in the moment, I think this is a great, you know, go back and listen everyone to the episode with Carol. Look, that was released a couple weeks ago talking about self-sabotage. Sometimes it can see it’s very covert, right? Mm-hmm. In the moment I felt like I had very logical reasons.

I wasn’t in my head [00:12:00] thinking. Ooh, I’m having all this success and I’m gonna sabotage it. I was thinking I had very legitimate reasons. I’m exhausted. This is too much for me. I don’t have the capacity to keep doing this. I’m just gonna take a few weeks off. Yep. And in some ways those were valid points, but what was beneath all of that and what was exacerbating all those narratives was, oh, I’m being seen more than I’ve ever been seen.

This is more successful than I ever thought it would be. That makes me nervous. That makes me uncomfortable. That makes me scared. So we’ve gotta hit the brakes. Yeah, but let me pull in some seemingly valid reasons to hit the brakes. Yeah, yeah. Which to your point, totally valid. But also at the same time, like sometimes there’s a moment where we could push just a little harder, we could figure out a way to, to push forward and then we kind of just don’t Yes, they and think that’s fine.

You know, like, so sometimes like that’s the [00:13:00] way it needs to be and that’s the capacity we have at that point. But, um, you really pushed through this year. I mean, you accomplished this, you know, that full year of releasing episodes weekly. Um, and you took on a PhD program and you have a full client load, like arguably you’re probably a hundred times busier than you were when you were trying to take a few weeks off, but somehow you’ve pulled it off.

Right? Well, and that’s where I think the perspective shift helps us see the, the self-sabotage. And I think in a more clearer light of what was I fatigued? Was I tired? Was I, you know, dealing with chronic illness and a cancer di like yes. Those were all legitimate reasons. And also, you know, through 21, through 20, 22, through 2023, I also was struggling with this consistency, even though I actually had ample time.

Yeah. To be able to do it. And so completely, it’s those underlying [00:14:00] narratives that exacerbate maybe real factors, but exacerbate them so much more and make your kind of psyche go, oh no, it’s too much. I can’t handle this. Whereas now, yeah. And I also think there was so much trust I had to recreate with myself, where now I, I have built up so much and I do have days where I’m like, I would love to just check out from my life today.

Hmm. And I lean in and I turn to my inner self and I go, but I’ve got you. Yeah. Like, you can trust me to not sabotage your dreams. Mm-hmm. I’m gonna lean in and also I’m gonna like do a deeper look at what do I need to do to help myself kind of recover and keep going. Yeah. And be refueled and energized and excited about all of this again.

But in those moments when I do wanna check out, I. I, I really lean into that. Oh, I’ve sabotaged you so many times. I’ve derailed your dreams so many [00:15:00] times and I am not gonna do that again. And that’s where a lot of that grit can come from when I need it. Yeah. Yeah. That’s beautiful. I think that’s incredible.

Mm-hmm. Walking us through that, I feel like that’s kind of an interesting backstory for everyone to kind of know the origin story and just that it’s not been the smoothest of roads. Right. I mean, it’s, it’s not been the easiest thing you’ve ever done, but potentially one of the most worthwhile. And I’m sure we’ll dig into that more later in the episode.

Mm-hmm. Um, okay, so you did have a couple listener questions come in and I wanted to yeah, put you, like I said, in the hot seat. We wanna hear from you. Um, and I’ve got some questions of my own, so we’re gonna be popping in here with a few, um, and then I’m sure we’ll touch on a few other, you know, some of the favorite podcasts and, and things I like towards the end.

So, yeah, first of all, I say, I have to say, I feel, I, I don’t know if imposter’s the right word, but I do feel [00:16:00] like it is so hard for me to believe that anyone would be interested in my life at all. So I feel a little silly. Um, and also these, these were really fun, great questions. I’m super excited to sit with these questions and dialogue them, but there’s a part of me that is just like looking down on me as doing this.

Like, who are you kidding, Leigh Ann? No one, no one gives a shit about your life in degree. Oh my gosh. I just have to name that. I mean, but don’t we all kind of have like a little, I don’t know. There’s a reason that podcast hosts do this because you kind of get to know this person in bits and pieces, like through their conversations with guests, but you don’t always get to know the host in that kind of intimate way.

And you do a great job of having these kind of like solo episodes where we talk through stuff going on in your life. So like, admittedly, people may feel like they know you a little bit better than most people hosting a podcast, but I still think we have great listenership on those. Like people are really fascinated by your [00:17:00] perspective, and I think that the questions are gonna reflect that.

So. Um, without further ado, um, a question that came in was, what do you do when you’ve had a good day to reinforce that you want to do more of that, like have more good days, um, to your subconscious? Mm-hmm. Yeah. We were talking about this before we started. First of all, I, when I read this question, I was like, this is such a good question.

I need to be focusing on this more with myself. I need to be focusing on this more with clients. ’cause oftentimes a lot of the work is when I’m in old patterns, how do I gently pivot myself out of them? But it’s such a great question to go and when I live and am embodying the good patterns. How do I reinforce that?

But some of the thoughts that initially came up for me with that are a couple things. One, a couple practical things, and then one more kind of like maybe a process. But I, I, I’m a [00:18:00] huge journal journaler. I love, I think there’s something so powerful in viscerally, like engaging with your body through the writing process.

It also slows your brain down. But I do, when I have just a phenomenal day, I do love to just write it out in the journal and not like a play by pay. I’m a big bullet pointer, but just, this happened, this felt so good. I felt so light today. Mm-hmm. I wasn’t weighed down by all these things. Here’s how I showed up.

Here’s what my mindset was. Here’s how that felt. And that’s the piece that I think is really key. Key key for me is. Tying, tying the behaviors was actually how it felt in your mind, body, and spirit. And I think that’s what really starts to solidify. Yeah. These new patterns, these new ways of thinking. Yeah.

Is how, and here, I had such a great day. I showed up in this way. I did these things. I didn’t do these things, and here’s how that [00:19:00] felt. Mm-hmm. Yeah. In my body. And so in some ways it’s just attuning to how it feels to live in those patterns that we’ve wanted to live in. And then in other ways, it’s receiving the full goodness of it.

Right. Having a good day. Oftentimes what I will do is like, at the end of the day, in my mind’s eye, just kind of meditating and reflecting on the day, just li literally, it’s almost like I’m going back into particular moments in the day and reliving them to just fully soak up how beautiful and delicious and aligned they were.

Yeah. Yeah, and I do, I do this all the time where it’s just like, let me go back to that moment and just relive it and then feel all those good feelings again. Yeah. Yeah. Something I’ve been trying to do for myself a little bit has been like, oh, I’m feeling good. What is happening around me as I notice this?

Like what do I see? Do I see like bright blue sky? Does the sun just feel really nice and warm on my [00:20:00] skin? Do I feel like I’m taking full breaths? Like what does like the environment feel like right at this moment? And trying to like lock that in a little bit. Not, not that you can always keep hold of it, but like to your point, lock in the sensations that checking in with how it’s striking me, like mind, body, and spirit.

I think that’s a beautiful little ritual that can kind of help capture those moments. Yeah. Uh, we just. We cannot separate the mind and the body and trauma doesn’t happen just in the mind. And also goodness doesn’t happen just in the mind. It’s a full experience. And so being able to welcome in the body to that, I think is really, really powerful.

To that end, actually, I can’t take credit for this, but something my analyst, ’cause I’ve been working with a depth psychologist one-on-one as a patient. Um, and we call them analysts, which I love. Mm-hmm. My analyst recommended is like, have, have a talisman, meaning have some kind of physical item. It could [00:21:00] be a stone, it could be a mine.

Mine is actually this like beautiful pearl necklace that was gifted to me for my birthday. But you basically have this talisman, this item that you imbue all of this goodness into. Meaning when I, something I want to remember, I wanna remember how. How it feels in my body to be, feel safe and be at peace, and feel safe with abundance, feel connected, whatever that looks like.

You’re, what you’re doing is you’re kind of like, as you’re holding that talisman, you’re recalling all of those different things, mind, body and spirit. The, the beliefs. I want to hold the emotions. I want to bring in the felt sense in my body. The behaviors and the more that you sort of pair those two together, the way that kind of item can work for you is when you are having a down [00:22:00] day, you pick up that physical item and it can kind of help be that like cue or that marker of, oh, this item when I hold this item.

Like these are all the things I want to welcome in and bring in. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think that’s a sense of, I mean, is there any part of you that’s like it is truly imbued with like an energetic positive sense, like positive energy? Or do you just feel like it’s to remind a person like of goodness that’s been.

I think it could be a little bit, a little bit of both. I mean, if we’re just talking in a purely metaphysical sense, I think a hundred percent you can imbue it with energies. Yeah. And also it, there’s just like a, this is also a cognitive process of Yeah, we’re training the brain that when I hold this item, I’m bringing in all those positive associations.

Yeah. Yeah. I love that. And it just helps like a cue that helps you pull those in easier. Yeah, that’s a [00:23:00] great idea. Tuck that one away. For any of you who follow me on Instagram, you’ll probably have seen that a few weeks ago I did my first ProLon fast mimicking program and I was so blown away with how, how easy it was, how accessible it was.

The unbelievable results that I experienced that I had to share it here on the podcast. For those who aren’t aware, ProLon is a five day fast mimicking program. What blew me away was the impact because the magic of ProLon is that even though you’re eating, it has been scientifically developed to put your body into a fasting state.

And when we’re in a fasting state, that is where so much magic happens in the cells. We start purging dead cells, that autophagy happens. There’s so much cleanup that happens when we’re in a fasting state, and the only other way to get into the state is to do a five day [00:24:00] water fast, which is super inaccessible and hard.

That’s not something that I don’t think I would even ever do. But I also did the in-body scan at Ascent adaptation before doing the diet and after doing the diet, because I really wanted to measure results and I was blown away, I lost six pounds just in that week. I lost 2% body fat. But the other markers that I was really excited to track were my inflammation went down significantly.

My phase angle went up significantly, which I’m gonna talk about a lot more because I decided I’m gonna record a short solo episode going super, super in depth into the ProLon fast mimicking program, and more in depth into my results and what some of these measurements mean. But if anyone is interested and wants to learn more, click the link in the show notes below and that link will also give you 15% off your order.

Once you click it, you’ll scroll down and you’ll see a little button that says, get 15% off. Their website is packed with so [00:25:00] many research articles and studies and information for anyone who wants to learn more. Okay. How about on kind of a rough day? How are you addressing nervous system stuff? What are you doing?

Maybe it is now this talisman, but maybe it’s something else. Maybe you have different kinds of rituals. Yeah. I think in some sense this is something I’ve talked about enough that I think the audience will know. There’s no short answer being. There are so many different tools and resources I bring in based on what I’m experiencing, what that may be bad day or that dysregulation might look like.

So there’s not like blanket things I do, and they’re very, very fluid. I find that different things support my psyche and spirit best in different times. So I think I’ll speak more to just what right now has really been resonating with me and even clients is what I call, um, it’s like somatic inquiry. So [00:26:00] somatic expression and then somatic soothing.

And so what I’ve been doing, a lot of this is a lot of internal imagery, internal visualizations, where on a day like that, when I’m really feeling a particular type of activation or heaviness. First, I’ll go into a body scan where it’s just like, okay, where am, where am I feeling this in my body? Oh, okay.

I’m feeling this like deep, deep pressure in my chest. I’m feeling a constriction in my throat. Maybe my neck and shoulders are tense, whatever that might be. I tune into the body, get a sense of where I’m feeling it in my body, and then I go into, if I need to, I might identify some specific emotions like, oh yeah, and this, this feels like anger or grief or rage or terror, or whatever it might be.

But then I go into this somatic expression, which is basically in my mind’s eye, I am daydreaming about. Doing some kind of [00:27:00] physical movement or vocalization that just feels like it allows the energy of that emotion to be expressed from my body. And when I do this with clients, I really encourage them.

This does not need to make sense. This is like made up la la cuckoo coco puffs land. Okay. Yeah. And so, you know, sometimes, like I, I’ve been actually working through a lot of rage lately with my dad. And, and, and so in one of my somatic expression imagery, I literally imagined, I feel, I feel like scared sharing this now.

Like, but I literally share it. We wanna know, I imagined I had a bat and I was absolutely trashing every, every building I’d ever lived in with him, they were mainly shitty trailers. So I was imagining trashing all the trailers we lived in. Yeah. Yeah. With a baseball bat, like just absolutely destroying everything.

And at the end of physically [00:28:00] trashing the inside of them, like I lit them on fire and blew them up. Hmm. And so that is somatic expression. It’s like moving up wherever you’re going. But the key to this is when you’re tuning into that emotion, the felt sense in the body of where you feel it, you’re trying to land on a visual imagination in your mind’s eye.

As you’re imagining it, you literally feel that energy kind of getting exposed from your body, and you will usually feel like a, ah, like a sense of relief. Most times with myself and clients, when they do this, the physical symptoms they were experiencing dissipate significantly or go away completely. Wow.

So that’s like step two in this. Step one is attune to the emotions, do a body scan. Step two is the somatic expression, the daydream of what feels like it’s gonna allow this energy to move through. And then step three is this somatic soothing, [00:29:00] where still in my mind’s eye, still in a daydream now. It’s what imagery, what imagination, what visual just feels really soothing to my system.

And that might be also something totally nonsensical where it’s like, Ooh, now that I’ve expressed all that rage, what would feel good to bring in as just kind of like a settling, grounding imagery? And oftentimes for me that’s revolves around around water. Water is very soothing. So it might be that I am, like, I often imagine I’m magically like floating down this magical river.

Hmm. I’m like totally buoyant on the surface. There’s no way I can sink. I’m totally weightless. And this river is just like flowing so smoothly and it’s like I’m just floating slowly down the river. Yeah. So that’s the long answer for right now. Somatic. Yeah, somatic attunement has been something I [00:30:00] really have been loving a lot lately and Okay.

And that might be it. That might be all I do. I might not even journal or make any notes around it. It’s just walking myself through that internal Yeah. Imaginal process. Yeah. Giving your emotions a place to go. Yeah. And it’s funny because I do talk so much with clients about doing internal attunement and internal relationship with more, more cognitive, more dialogue around, okay, what are the emotions, what are the beliefs beneath these emotions?

What’s within my power to do about it? What are the more expansive beliefs? But that’s still quite heady. That’s still in a lot of ways, cognitive this stuff. Doesn’t, it’s not intellectual at all. It’s not logical at all. It is purely like attuning to the felt sense in the body. And what I’ll, what I’ll find is like it [00:31:00] is important to do that other work too at some point.

But I’m finding more and more that starting with the somatic piece actually allows us to make much more progress with the cognitive piece. Hmm mm. Okay. Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. And to be honest, like when you’re having a bad day, there’s reasons for that. A lot of the times it doesn’t necessarily mean that you have the time to sit down and do that cognitive piece.

Usually, like shit sit in the fan. And so maybe the all you have time for is to sit in your car in the parking lot and just say, I’m gonna walk through this little, you know, somatic process and that’s gonna hold me over until I can get to that next step. Yeah. And totally. I, I like, I really think it’s actually such a, a practical, accessible practice where, you know, that for me could be, could be a 20, 30 minute thing, it could also be a three minute thing.

You know, I’m thinking like, I dunno, the example that’s coming into my mind is your boss. [00:32:00] Was an absolute a-hole to you today. Yeah. Um, and maybe you’re on your lunch break and you have to go back in and see them so you don’t have a ton of time to sit with it. But you might set a timer and go, you know, for a minute I’m gonna go in my mind’s eye and tune into my body.

Yeah. Oh my God. I feel this anger and I’m feeling it as this, like constriction in my throat. And so I’m gonna go in and in my somatic expression, I’m just imagining yelling so loudly at this person and just absolutely screaming at them. Yeah. And do that until you feel like the physical and the emotional tension lightening.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then you might go into some other kind of somatic soothing, but that could be a very just quick little thing you do with yourself. In the car, in your mind’s eye. But that’s what’s so powerful about it, is it’s all internal, and yet it can still be so relieving and full. Yeah. The, the one I feel like caveat I have to say to this or or [00:33:00] um, uh, disclaimer is we’re not saying these are things we would do in real life.

Right? Right. This is made up. This is for the sake of the emotional, energetic expression. They’re not things we’re necessarily gonna be doing in real life. Yeah. But that it can be really, really practical and you, I would encourage you guys to try it ’cause you might be surprised how soothing and relieving it feels.

Yeah, yeah. Yep. Totally. Alright, there we have it. I think that’s a great answer. Thank you. Um, okay, so next question we had was around your morning and evening routines. So kick us off like on maybe morning and um, obviously we wanna know your night routine, but everyone was kind of curious how you start each morning.

So maybe if you had some advice on that. Yeah, I love this ’cause I’m, I’m like a morning, I don’t know, a morning junkie. My morning routine is the thing. My night routine is way less involved. I [00:34:00] love a slow morning. I love starting my, my day out in a really, really good, aligned way. And so I was making some notes ’cause I knew we were gonna talk about this question.

I was kind of going through it, what are the points to this? And honestly the, there’s like. There’s practical points, and then there’s sort of more of like general things I do, but the thing that I literally was like, oh, we have to start here, is my sunrise simulator alarm clock. Like this is where it all starts.

I feel like I could get up on a soapbox and start preaching about we cannot start our day with jolting out and cortisol and fear. Yeah, like if you really wanna get to the nitty gritty when your alarm starts blaring at you and you jolt awake, that is literally starting your day with cortisol and fear.

Yep. Yep. No, no, no, no, no, no. I have, I’ll make sure we link it in the show notes. I’ve had my sunrise simulator alarm [00:35:00] clock for. Over five years now it is an Abso, I literally, Kelly, I literally travel with this alarm clock. You do. When I go to Santa Barbara for a week for school, I take it with me. Love it so much because there’s the, it simulates a sunrise.

So 30 minutes before you, you set it to go, the light starts brightening up the room, which actually starts gently waking your body up even though you’re not cognitively aware of it. And then maybe like three minutes before your alarm goes off, gentle sounds start playing in a very muted way, and then they rise in.

But the sunrise part is really, really key because now I do know that alarm clocks have sort of like a, where the sound fades in louder and louder. Yeah. But the, the light is so key because that is sending so many signals to your mind and body that the sun is rising, it is time to start waking up. And so even over those 30 minutes, your body is [00:36:00] starting to produce different hormones.

Gear up a little bit. Yeah. The gently start allowing your whole system to start to come online. It has been an absolute game changer. It is like a non-negotiable in my routine, complete game changer. So that’s where it has to start is like a non-negotiable in my morning routine is that I do start my day with cortisol and fear by being jolted awake from an alarm clock.

Fair. Fair. Um, but then like, how do I curate my morning there? In some ways, the basis of it really is kind of asking this question of like, what, what? What nourishment and attunement is going to set up my mind, body, and spirit to have the best day possible. And I do think I should like pause and say in some ways, in some ways a lot of these routines are pretty habitual now that I don’t have to think about them so much, much.

And then [00:37:00] also in other ways, I think what I need to own so that I don’t feel like an imposter is I have not been as good with a lot of my routines as I usually am. And so I don’t wanna sit here and have people think like, oh yeah, and I just year long, 365 days a year, I do this morning routine. Right. No, I get off track often.

I have gotten off track way more often than I usually do with with this year. And those are cues for me to get back on track. So what I wanna own is like in a lot of ways, this is the ideal. There’s parts of this that I do maintain, and then there’s parts that I kind of get off track with and I haven’t been so good with them recently.

Yeah. But to that end, there are sort of baseline things that I’ve sort of created habits around to just support the physiology. Right. Because we kind of have to remember, like I’m asking this material thing, my body, mind and spirit to perform every single day. And in order for it to perform, there are [00:38:00] just like cold, hard resources it needs.

And so a big part of my morning routine is, what are those like raw materials? Yeah. This system needs to be able to perform, right? It’s like if I want the car to drive X amount of miles, it needs gas. Yeah. If I do gas up before that journey, I am setting myself up for failure. So there a lot of my morning routine involves physically preparing my body for the day, which for me right now looks like.

Sun, sunshine movement, water nutrition are like parts of that morning routine that in different days may become in different doses. When it, when I’m in my ideal place, I wake up. First thing I make my coffee, my, my coffee elixir. ’cause there’s like five things I put in my coffee. Yeah. Um, my collagen, I put raw butter, I put honey, and then I put half and half in my [00:39:00] coffee.

Okay. Love it. And I take that to go and I will do an hour walk mm-hmm. Through, through my town, through my neighborhood. And so that’s, that’s getting my sunshine, that’s getting a massive dose of sunshine to completely set up my system for the day. That’s getting a ton of really gentle, slow movement. Um, and then, you know, starting my morning with a glass of water.

So I’m immediately hydrating and then usually when I come back from my walk, it’s how can I get some more good fats and proteins. Yeah. My coffee literally has like 20 to 30 grams of protein in it from the collagen and the butter and the half and half. So yeah. Yeah. Hardy beverage. Yeah. The meal. Getting some good proteins.

But I wanna speak to like the sunshine and the movement for a second because it’s, it’s like a core nutrient. You know, we think about, I take all these [00:40:00] supplements, I give myself food, I give myself water. Sunshine is, and I learned this in one of our podcasts with, um, Dr. Valerie about eyes and the Sun, and that really changed my whole perspective on this is like sun is a foundational nutrient that we need every single day.

It affects every single function of the body. And just what I have found is when I do that in the morning, and especially a slow walk, I am not fast walking. This is not about exercise or fitness. Mm-hmm. This is about moving my body. And so it usually is like a pretty slow meandering walk, but it sets my whole system up for a day of mm-hmm.

Groundedness. Yeah. When I do that morning walk, stressful things happen and I just feel so much more grounded. Like I’ve given my nervous system a template for the day. Here’s how today’s gonna go. Steady, slow, grounded, full of [00:41:00] nutrients and nutrition. So that has been really huge for me. Now, to that end, when I’m off, sometimes what that looks like is I do a little 15 minute walk.

But for me, getting sunshine and movement first thing in the morning is a pretty non-negotiable part of my morning routine. Okay. Because it just impacts everything physiologically, my mind, body, and spirit. But my mind and my body especially simply cannot perform. Yeah. Optimally, if it is not getting sunshine and movement first thing.

Yeah. Yeah. Even 15 minutes is sometimes enough to like knock you back on track. Right. But giving yourself that full hour is, is kind of a, it’s a dream. You know, not everyone probably is able to fit that into their morning routine, but knowing like any amount of movement, sunshine first thing Yeah. Will make a world of difference.

Totally. And that, you know, I love a walk and that’s really slow for me. Yeah. That might someone look like just sitting outside and having [00:42:00] their coffee or eating their breakfast outside, maybe doing some gentle stretches outside, but mm-hmm. Sunshine first thing in the morning is absolutely non-negotiable.

I can’t expect my body to show up. I cannot expect my brain to show up. Yeah. Yeah. If I am not giving it those essential nutrients and fuel. So in a lot of ways, a good chunk of my morning routine revolves around giving my mind and my body like the foundational nutrients it needs to be able to perform.

And then, then I do like to have a little bit of a slight check-in with myself of, um, yeah, I, yeah, I’ll usually do some kind of check-in where I’m attuning to what, what am I feeling and experiencing what is going on in my mind and body and spirit today so that I can curate the rest of my day. In a way that serves who I am and where I’m today.

And that’s where, as we’ve talked about, I think many [00:43:00] times the nuance and the fluidity of our relationship with ourself comes in. Yeah. So I have these like general routines built in, but there’s a lot more that goes with that in terms of if I wake up and I attune to my body and I go, oh, you know what? I feel really inflamed this morning.

I’m achy all over. Yeah. Um, I’m super tired. I feel a bit heavy and lethargic. That tells me a lot. That tells me great. Yeah. The things I might bring in to start my day, aside from those foundational things are gonna be things that support that. So maybe I’m gonna add five minutes on my vibration plate, or, you know, 20 minutes on my infrared pen mat to help with that inflammation.

Mm-hmm. Wake up and I’m like, gosh. I feel super energized, I feel ready to go. I might not do any of that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that’s where like a conversation around [00:44:00] how when we just like set a routine and do it every single day ad nausea, even if it’s all good things, it, it might not be serving us well.

Yeah. And it does take more effort and energy to tune in every single day. Yeah. But to that end, that’s why I have like the general baseline stuff, the walk. Mm-hmm. You know, sunshine movement, nutrition, the baseline stuff. Yeah. And then some of these other things are more based on that attunement that’s happening Yeah.

In that day. Yeah. So there’s always some kind of journaling or I also really love when I get to do. My own stuff first thing in the morning or before I, I maybe have to do all the other things that I’m responsible for with work and school. Um, and so that might look like for me, getting to spend some time reading, listening to a podcast, um, even doing, like, I just joined this financial literacy and like, [00:45:00] investing program.

Even getting to do, you know, 30 minutes of that workshop mm-hmm. Feels really good for me of like, Ooh, I do this thing that is totally optional and just fun. Yeah. Um, maybe it’s, yeah, reading a book. So I, I like to do something that’s just like fun and optional that makes me feel Yeah. Ooh, I got to do something for me.

Already rather than mm-hmm. I can’t do something for me until I’ve finished all my things for the day. Yeah, yeah. Because we all know we crawl in bed at the end of that day and go, well, we didn’t fit it in. Mm-hmm. It never happened. And those days pile up and you start to become really resentful about your life.

It is way harder to look at any of the good that may be happening when there’s no space made for the person that you are. Yeah. Or trying to be or become, I mean, the investing class sounds so amazing, right? Like that’s an investment in the future of who you’re becoming, and if you never feel [00:46:00] like you’re kind of getting there, I, I feel like, or I have felt at times, like I am living a groundhogs day kind of life.

Mm-hmm. And there’s something really, really frustrating about that. Mm-hmm. Um, that really depletes you over time. Right. And to the end. Like, I, I think we can get there even when we’re doing all the lovely things, right? Yeah. So true. I if, if there is such a rigidity of, I wake up, I do my walk, and then I sauna, and then I do my vibration plate, and then I do my coffee enema, and then I do this every single day.

Even though those are all fantastic things and very lovely. Yeah. The intention behind it is very loving. Your inner self is so much more dynamic than that. Yeah, and you wake up and you go, you know what? I feel super good. I feel really energized. You know what? I don’t. I don’t need the vibration plate today.

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It’s usually something to just kind of wind down and relax. Often journaling, often the somatic thing that we already talked about of just kind of checking in with the day, what needs to be expressed, what needs to be [00:49:00] heard within myself. So evening is more when I do like some deep journaling and like the deeper kind of unconscious work and checking in with patterns and what’s coming up for me today.

But really it’s like I might make myself some. Some kind of tea. Do my journaling, maybe a meditation. Although recently I haven’t been doing that. I’ve been really off my meditation game. And then I’m going to bed. I’m crashing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We’re done. Aside from the whatever, like shower washing, your face brushing.

Yes. Yeah, of course. Aside from that, it’s really quite simple. That’s what it is for me, so, yeah. Yeah. Well, would you say you’re a morning person? Just generally? So in general, yes. Yes. And also I don’t, I don’t struggle with falling asleep or sleeping while I used to. I used to, sleep was a huge pain point for me most of my life.

But I fall asleep super fast. For the most part. Now I sleep [00:50:00] really well. Hmm. So that’s also I think, why I don’t have all these evening routines that maybe other people do really need and support them right now too. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. Alright, well, I wanna change gears a little bit here and jump into some questions about the podcast and guests and just the last 200 episodes.

There’s so much we could say and talk about. But, um, I do have a couple questions around, um, you know, honestly, this was something I, I’ve been curious about, maybe where did you kind of start on doing the podcast? You had like a belief or perspective that you held that you’ve maybe changed your mind on after doing 200 episodes with various guests.

Oh, maybe it’s nervous system or maybe it’s a modality or a belief or an idea. Is there anything that you’re like, Hmm, I started in one place and I think I’ve ended in another? Hmm. Not, not like about the podcast, but just about topics I’ve interviewed guests on. Mm-hmm. Yeah, topics. That might have [00:51:00] shifted.

Yeah, I mean I think that that’s a really fun question because also in the health world, things change so quickly. Yeah. They change fast and, and so I love, I think we have to hold that nuance and be able to go, what was being said about parasites five years ago could be completely different now. Which is why sometimes I like to have guests on again, on some of these topics.

Now expand us on the new research and what else we’ve discovered. I’m sure there’s so many things. I will say, you talked about the nervous system. I do think what I’ve been talking more about, um, actually in the episode with Britt Piper recently, we had such a good conversation around the rhetoric about nervous system has gotten a little too extreme in some places.

Mm-hmm. Where now it’s sort of this idea of like, we’re never supposed to be dysregulated, and if you are dysregulated, you need to do all these techniques to reregulate your system. Mm-hmm. And, [00:52:00] um, you know, here, here’s a three month program to getting your nervous system back into regulation. And I think we had a really nuanced conversation of that’s, that’s actually not health.

Health is things will happen that dysregulate us. We want to be able to have healthy responses to things, right? Like if, yeah. You know, we don’t, we don’t, we don’t necessarily wanna be calm, cool and composed and unaffected if sure a loved one just passed. Sure. That’s, that’s something that creates grief.

We actually wanna be able to ha feel and experience that grief. It’s just we wanna be able to metabolize it in a way that maybe doesn’t keep us stuck or bring us down too much. So that’s one thing is I do think there’s been a lot of expansion there of over, over emphasizing nervous system regulation versus.

Versus like a more being attuned [00:53:00] and yeah, it’s actually normal to get dysregulated to some extent. Yeah. I feel like people have begun to lose track of like dysregulation as a, like I, yeah. Grief, or I’ve gone into a state away from that, like homeostasis of just equanimity. I’m solid, I’m grounded. Versus, um, seeing dis dysregulation, sort of like all of the acting out that people end up doing and it’s not that.

Mm-hmm. Right. Like nervous system dysregulation is the former, it’s not the latter. The latter is like, you know, those, those self-sabotaging bad behaviors that end up kinda ruining, you know, the progress that we’re making or sometimes ruin our lives. But, and it may be a symptom of dysregulation, right. But being dysregulated itself is not like.

It doesn’t make you like a bad person that needs the three month program and needs to get figured out, like, yeah. Yeah. I, I mean, I don’t wanna rehash all of it, but Brit Piper, like that conversation was so good where we really [00:54:00] got into this. Yeah. But yeah, I think some, I don’t know that it’s my perspective necessarily changed, but it definitely was expanded.

Yes. And because I’ve had a number of guests on related to nervous systems specifically, you have. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I love that. That was a great conversation for sure. Okay. Um, this is kind of a fun question, but what do you do when you lose your train of thought and you’re talking to a guest and you’re like, well, I don’t really know where I was going with that.

Um, you know what I will say if it’s not too self inflated is I am, I actually feel very confident in my interview skills. Yeah. I rarely lose my train of thought. I rarely need notes, um, in front of me. We do always prepare and send questions to the guest ahead of time. And so sometimes I’ll print those out and have them in front of me.

And so if I do lose my train of thought, I’ll, I’ll reference those notes. Yeah. Uh, but thank God it doesn’t happen very often. Yeah. It really doesn’t. I think Alan, [00:55:00] it doesn’t, Alan would know. I know. And I would know truly you are, you do have a natural ability on this, that’s for sure. You’re great at the segue, the like, casual.

Okay, we’re moving on to the next topic. You really seamlessly tie thoughts together. I think that’s a great skill. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like, I’m trying to think though. ’cause I, where, where do I sometimes struggle with guests? Hmm. I think sometimes, and what I still wanna work on is I, I like to get vulnerable and so sometimes when I feel that the guest doesn’t wanna go there.

It does stump me up a little bit. ’cause I can feel in my heart and system like, oh, the audience is gonna want this too, and I want this too. Mm-hmm. Not for the sake of exposing this person, but because it really makes you feel so connected with them and leads to such a depth of conversation. Yeah. And so sometimes I’ll find myself getting frustrated and, and not sure where to go with it.

Or just being [00:56:00] like, Ugh, this might not be as deep of an episode as it could be. Mm-hmm. And I have to remind myself that like, it can still be a really powerful episode. Yeah. Yeah. Even if we don’t go to the absolute deepest of the deep places. And so sometimes that’s where I can get a little hung up.

Places, or if I feel like the guest really isn’t explaining something again, like to the depth that I would want, even if we’re talking about like physiological things, I’m like, no, no, but, but how does, or dopamine, I really need to know what’s happening chemically in the body. And they kind of Yes. The surface level.

Yeah. I’m like, um, how do I gently bring out more of this? Yeah. And then the other thing I’ll own that I do, do sometimes struggle with and wanna get a lot better at, ’cause I think these are what some of my favorite hosts do of other podcasts is if I disagree with them. Mm. That’s a tough one. Being able to actually talk about that and [00:57:00] bring that up versus going, oh, I disagree with that, so I’m gonna pivot us away to a different place.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And that’s where my own insecurities come in of like, I don’t wanna ruffle their feathers. I don’t want them to feel attacked. Right. So we’ll kind of move on to a different topic. I think there’s so much value that can come from being able to go, huh, I’m not really seeing it that way. Can we dig into this deeper?

Here’s where my thoughts. Yeah. Um, so that’s something I am still actively working on, being able to do more. Right. I am excited to see that with future guests. Okay. That’s what we’re looking for. Take the hard hitting questions. Um, okay. So this, that’s kind of a perfect segue for this. Um, what’s kind of a topic or.

You know, maybe, yeah. I mean, really topic that you used to think was too out there to talk about, you know, something that you were like, whoa, not gonna have that conversation. But now you’re a little bit more, either you’re like totally unfiltered or you’re like, I’m comfortable [00:58:00] with it. Hmm. I think in some ways ener, energy related things.

Mm. Um, like, for example, human design was the first thing that came into my mind as you were asking that question. ’cause it’s, I don’t know, in some ways I, I think there’s a lot of people who wouldn’t, who wouldn’t know what that is or wouldn’t believe in it, or would just think it’s a bit too woo woo. Mm.

Um, and so it is something I haven’t, I’ve only had two guests on and they were like very, very far apart in years of having them on. Mm-hmm. And I didn’t have them on, like, I took so long in between because I, I think I was a little insecure about. Bringing a guest on to talk about this sort of energy blueprint and it, you put in your birth date and time and it just, it does, it feels, yeah.

In some ways, you know, the research assistant in me is like, I want the cold hard facts that I can bring to the guest of why this might be a reliable resource. Mm-hmm. And so I think I’ve [00:59:00] gotten better at being like, you know what? This is something that’s really lighting me up and has provided so much value for me.

That’s the place I’m gonna share it from. I’m not gonna share it from a place of like, there is so much data behind this and you must do it and use it and bring it into your life. It’s actually maybe even acknowledging, look, this involves some astrology and, and um, Vedic principles and all these different things and I don’t really know where it comes from or if there’s any science behind it, but my God, it’s really been providing a lot of value for me.

So I wanna share it. Yeah. Yeah, I think that’s beautiful. And so I think having a lot more confidence in being able to share on topics like that. Sure. That I can’t maybe necessarily point to any scientific evidence. I’m just speaking to my own experience. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think that’s beautiful and really resonant for people.

Mm-hmm. Um. Okay, cool. What is a topic you hope to bring more of to the table in the future episodes? You’ve talked about [01:00:00] mold, deep healing work, entrepreneurship, different products, your own personal shifts, like you run the gamut. So is there kind of a topic or something that you’re thinking you hope to bring more of in in the next a hundred episodes?

Oh, oh my gosh. The next a hundred, that’s two years. Isn’t that crazy? It’s exciting. Yeah. It’s two years. So, um, yeah, I can speak, I’ll speak to a couple things there. One, I am definitely excited to bring in more depth psychology conversations, you know, with myself, with you, with guests, because of course I’m in this PhD program.

There’s. 20 plus other colleagues in my cohort who have such amazing depth of knowledge, but starting to share more with people about what is this depth psychology thing, how is it different from traditional conventional psychology, why there is so much power and, and healing in it. So that for sure, whether it’s through [01:01:00] solo episodes of my own or with other guests, we actually have a guest, one of my colleagues scheduled to come on the podcast and talk about it.

Yeah. Um, and then also this, this is one of those ones that still feels a little out there, a little uncomfortable. Uncomfortable for me, but. Sexuality and sex, honestly. Yeah. I just feel like our sexuality in all the ways, not just related to sex. I had a fantastic conversation with, um, Susan Morgan Taylor, that, that was my first guest ever this year talking about sexuality and vitality and how it is a vital component of our spiritual selves.

Yeah. And so anyways, there, there is a part of me that’s like, this is important. I want to engage with more guests on this topic that. And also feeling, you know, a little insecure and fearful of going to those places because I, I think myself included, a lot of us are really uncomfortable with Yeah.

Conversations. [01:02:00] I know before that episode, I was scared for you, but it was amazing and it was one of my favorite episodes. Um, I loved that conversation. Yeah. Yeah. It was huge. That was So we’re having her back on to talk about how Yeah. Sexual trauma impacts our sexuality. Yeah. Our connection with our partners, which I think is gonna be phenomenal.

Huge. Yeah. Just more conversations about how do we, how do we honor and nourish and engage with and express this part of ourself in all the ways. Again, not just through sex, but it just is feeling more and more. Vital. Mm-hmm. And like actually a foundational piece of living. Yeah. Yeah. Well, not many of us are getting a lot of input on that.

Um mm-hmm. Especially in our more formative years when we’re figuring out how to feel about it. And, um, so I think that will be a pretty amazing thing to see, um, a few more guests on about. Very cool. Yeah, and I think it’s a little, I could, I could imagine it being a bit confronting where I think [01:03:00] for many of us, we feel very ingrained, maybe even stuck in patterns, especially if we’ve been with a partner for a long time.

And so I think sometimes we avoid the topics because it’s confronting and we’ve sort of just accepted or acquiesce like, well, no, this is just how it is. Nothing can change. It’s too late to change anything. So yeah, fronting. Yeah, it definitely can be. I’m, I mean, it’s one of the most awkward talks out there, and there’s a reason for that.

Right. So, um, yeah. No, that’ll be very cool to see. Um, okay. Final question. I wanna know, I wanna know what some are, some of your topics that you’d want. Oh, I mean, I, that’s definitely one of them for me. I think, um, I mean I’m sure there’s tons of podcasts around sexuality, to be honest. Not that I’ve ever looked any of them up.

I’m sure there’s loads, but, uh, I think just taping, taking a more nuanced, um, I think look at our sexuality and, um, I think the many ways it impacts our lives. [01:04:00] Um. I think that would be really cool to see and just hear more perspectives on. I’d definitely be interested in that. And that was for sure one of my favorite episodes.

Um, and I think just more on creating life alignment. I love hearing guests, just telling even their personal stories. Um, talking about, I, I think even when you’ve had entrepreneurs on sharing about their product, right? Uh, there’s some of that like, and how I became aligned in this path and there’s always a tail, right?

Like, I was going down here and then something happened, or I realized I woke up one day like this, ain’t it? And they went another way. I think those stories are, they’re, they’re never not encouraging, right? They’re never not sort of meeting all of us in this moment of like, okay, yes, either I need to keep on the path or maybe I need to like.

Switch my path. I don’t know. So I’ve loved all of those. I think, um, the stories of, of finding alignment from your guests have always been really powerful. Yeah. Yeah. To the end, you’re also reminding me that we have, we have plans in the works to start to [01:05:00] do a lot more cancer specific episodes. Yes.

Interviewing doctors and guests around, you know. Top cancer tests, treatments. Mm-hmm. Prepare for radiation, how to detox from radiation. So that is something that’s in the works that I’m also really, really excited to. Yes. Really cool conversations around. So that is gonna be very cool chapter. Very well.

Okay. Do you have time for one more question? Yeah, yeah. We need to ask you. Okay. We’re fast forwarding to episode 300. Get there. In your mind, what do you hope your future self is celebrating? You know, like, what are you talking about at, at episode 300, two years have passed. Um, maybe it’s personal, maybe it’s podcast related, but what are you hoping that that future self is, um, excited about and celebrating?

Oh my gosh. Okay. Hold on. For clarity. Celebrating in relation to the podcast could be either personal, podcast, whatever you choose. [01:06:00] I might have to refine it ’cause there’d be so many things I could say there, but I think, um, I, I do have dreams to. You know, build this into a full production where we’re rec, we’re only recording in studio with full video.

So every episode is recorded. We have a whole production team. Like, that’s the dream. I’d love to get there. And maybe even one of my favorite, um, podcast is Armchair Expert. Mm-hmm. And their episodes are like two hours long. Um, you know, hour and a half, two hours. And I just, but I, I love that you have all that time to be able to sink into really, really powerful conversations.

You know? For sure. Over the last year, the hour that I have with the guest feels so short. It feels like we were just getting into the good stuff. Yeah. So podcast, my God, I would love to imagine one day being able to celebrate like, holy shit, this is a full on production now. Yeah. And [01:07:00] it’s, you know, it’s powerful.

It’s impactful. It’s authentic. Yeah. Um. Yeah, it’s just a whole big thing. So that would be really exciting. Um, personally, I mean, personally, professionally, I feel like there’s so many other things, the things I wanna launch, writing books, finishing my PhD

membership, and just being able to sit back and more, more than any actually achieving any of those things though it’s being able to look back and go, oh my God. Like these were big dreams that didn’t have to come true. Yeah. You could have not pursued any of these and still had a really beautiful, great life.

Yeah, yeah. But you leaned in and you were like, and it’s okay to have an extraordinary life and it’s okay to pursue these big things and it’s hard, but I’m gonna keep chiseling away consistently, little by little. And so more than anything, what I hope I’m looking back in [01:08:00] 300 episodes is. The pride, the gratitude to my past self for like leaning in and saying, you know what?

It might not happen, but I’m gonna pursue it with everything I’ve got. Yeah. Yeah. That’s huge. Can’t wait to see you at 300 episodes. Congratulations on 200. It’s a huge accomplishment. Oh my gosh. Yeah. It’s so special and it’s so special to have you facilitate this and literally I have to give another shout out to you and Alan because guys this, this would not be here for sure, despite wanting to do it.

For sure with like my client load and school. Yeah. There is just absolutely no way this would be able to continue to function. So if you guys love the podcast, send all your silent thanks and Alan, our podcast editor, they are amazing and such a gift to me. Well, it does take a village sometimes to make our dreams come true, doesn’t it?

And there’s something I think really [01:09:00] beautiful about that too. So yeah, it’s a completely, I love you guys so much.