THE ACCRESCENT™ PODCAST EPISODE 234

The Accrescent (00:04.462)
Okay. Well, welcome to the Accrescent podcast. I am not your host. I am Kelly. Our host is here. Leigh Ann is here today and she’s going to chat with us about a topic that I think a lot of people will resonate with. And I want to tee that up for us in this conversation here. But, the topic is really about something that we had had a conversation about earlier last year, which was it’s okay to maybe not jump all the way into our emotional

depths. Like you don’t have to go right into the deep end off the bat. But it is important that we at some point circle back to sometimes close the loop on experiences, emotions, feelings that come up in our lives so that we can bring healing to them. And that’s what we’re here to do today. we probably won’t nail this all in one go either, right? But the point is to start doing that work of

Leigh Ann Lindsey (00:55.884)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

The Accrescent (01:04.252)
digging into some of those experiences and emotions that ultimately do require our attention in order for our lives to move forward. So, Leigh Ann, what has been on your mind as you’ve been thinking about this topic? What brought it to mind recently? What’s going on?

Leigh Ann Lindsey (01:13.548)
Yeah, totally.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (01:22.004)
Well, first of all, you’re always so great because we have our weekly sync ups and I kind of just go, okay, Kelly, here’s what I’m thinking about talking about in our upcoming podcast. And I just feel like I dump so many random things on you. Like they’re not linear, they’re not cohesive and somehow you create like very cohesive notes from that.

The Accrescent (01:42.842)
I love it. It’s always timely. will say that it’s always something that feels very timely. So it may feel random to you, but I think that’s another part of trusting your own work going out into the world and your own journey, right? Sharing it with others. I think you can trust that it’s right, the right timing for them as well.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (01:47.328)
Ooh.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (02:00.682)
Yeah. So I guess what, what brought me here and the reality is two, maybe two plus weeks ago now, my back went out. So it was actually a physical ailment that brought me to facing a lot of things that then brought me to saying, Hey, I think we really need to talk about this on the podcast.

My back has gone out. There was a time where it would go out every single year. At some point in the year it would go out and I really felt like it was such a sign of deep emotional distress that may not have even been on a conscious level. Just deep deep stress. And so immediately when my back went out I was like, okay, I know what this is. There is something I haven’t been attuning to within myself and I need to look deeply at this.

And what that opened up was, now I’m going to kind of backtrack. So probably middle of last year in doing the work I do with my psychotherapist and my coach and my EFT practitioner, new facets of the sexual abuse from my dad came up. And it was…

devastating to be honest, I, the first session that some of this came up, I ended that session and I think I had like a very mini panic attack, like hyperventilating sobbing. just like really was such a visceral somatic response I had to that material. And I then like pretty consciously was like, yeah, I’m not ready to look at that. And it would come up here and there and with my, my psychotherapist

I would say to her like, I know I need to look at this. I know I need to address this. And then other things would come up because there was a lot that also unfolded last year, personally, professionally. And so the long story short is I really feel like I avoided looking at that topic acutely for probably eight months. And there, we’re going to unfold so many different pieces of this and what that looked like. But I felt that was important to share because

Leigh Ann Lindsey (04:13.19)
I work with clients on this every single day and we do, we do talk about sometimes it’s not the time to look at something really big deep in the face. And we want to honor that because if it’s beyond our capacity, it’s going to be counterproductive in some ways re-traumatizing. So we need to be discerning with how and when and how much we sit with material like this. And the psyche demands to be heard. And at some point,

if we ignore it. it, you know, I think there’s a point where it’s discerning and then there’s a point where it’s just distraction.

The Accrescent (04:49.66)
How can someone know the difference for themselves, right? How can you discern for yourself, like I’m at capacity and I don’t have it versus maybe I do have it and now is the time. How do you kind of guide your clients in that?

Leigh Ann Lindsey (05:06.99)
It’s so hard because I think often it can feel like such a catch-22 of I’m so at capacity that I need to have more capacity to be able to face this thing and at the same time it’s this thing that’s taking up all of my capacity. And I really think that is the point I got to and that was the reckoning I had with my back going out is

The Accrescent (05:19.953)
Mm.

The Accrescent (05:24.218)
Right.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (05:33.526)
I really felt like that was my psyche saying, you cannot avoid this anymore. It’s time to look at this. And interestingly enough for me personally, there has always been some external thing that has happened. When it comes to things that I’ve been avoiding, like I remember in 2023, the topic came up with my dad. That was the first time I ever really was looking at it deeply.

And I had done some work with a therapist. had done work with myself and I had gotten to a point of, I know I need to have a conversation with him. And I delayed that for probably six months. And at some point it literally felt like my whole life started coming to a standstill.

Clients weren’t booking anymore, money wasn’t coming in, and I just was like, I had a moment of going, this is my psyche saying, I cannot continue in anything else until this gets addressed because I feel so unsafe.

The Accrescent (06:30.586)
Yeah.

The Accrescent (06:35.772)
Great.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (06:36.746)
And so it’s interesting that like I get some of those external signs of I think this is why this is happening and okay, I know I need to go face this thing. What I feel like brought it on my radar this time around was I, so last year, and I think we’ll get more into some of the different things that happened last year for me, but.

I was so, I was like caught in this perpetual overwhelm, this perpetual urgency, this perpetual kind of franticness deep in myself. And I think I was putting it all on external things. Business is busier than ever. I’m in my PhD. There were like massive tragedies that happened for people in my life more so than any year I think I’ve ever had. And so I was putting it all on that.

The Accrescent (07:15.313)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (07:28.526)
And so coming into the new year, I was like, I need to make some changes logistically. I need to have maybe longer gaps between clients. Maybe I need to see a few less clients because of the PhD. Maybe I need to change the schedule a bit. But what I found was happening is I would make a few changes and for a week I’d feel so much better. And then a week later, this overwhelm would just sink in again.

And so I go, okay, maybe there’s more I need to change. Okay, let me do this. Let me be more diligent with my morning routine and for a week I’d feel better and then the overwhelm would be right back. And so when my back went out and I was like, okay, we need to face this. And I do the same work I do with clients on myself. So it’s like my back, okay.

The Accrescent (08:03.76)
Yeah.

The Accrescent (08:12.668)
Hold on one second. I’m so sorry. I already did stop.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (08:20.568)
No, no,

The Accrescent (08:21.87)
a really good thought I’m so sorry sorry Alan I just swallowed spit the wrong way okay I’m taking a note 830 I really had to hold that in but it didn’t work I’m so sorry all right Wow okay do want me to bring you back to where you are

Leigh Ann Lindsey (08:34.092)
Yeah, and like 8, 8, put like 8, 18.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (08:39.221)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (08:49.152)
overwhelmed. so the work I do with clients is the work I do with myself and I bring in a lot of those practices and imagery and so my back went out while I was at the gym and so I you know headed home early and on the car ride home I just was like okay.

The Accrescent (08:50.618)
Yeah, you were just saying working with clients.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (09:11.79)
You know, like I’m feeling teary-eyed. I’m so upset about this because I know how this goes. Like now I’m gonna be kind of debilitated for a couple days. I’m gonna be in a ton of pain for a couple days. I’m not gonna be able to do all the normal things I normally do. so I do what, you know, I take myself through prompts that I take clients through, which is like, okay, if this pain in my back could speak and say anything.

what does it have to say? then I allow myself to just let whatever comes up, up. And everything that came up was related to my dad. And that just really opened my eyes of this overwhelm. Maybe there were small components that were related to scheduling and…

overextending yourself a bit, but you’ve made all of those changes and it’s still here, that’s a sign it’s something deeper. And so that’s kind of my answer to the question you posed, which is how do we know when we’re being discerning versus, you know, we’re avoiding this topic with discernment or we’re avoiding it with distraction. And for me, that just became really, really clear of, I think the weight of this unmetabolized material is

The Accrescent (10:17.477)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (10:29.812)
weighing on me so much that I start my day at such a low baseline. And then I have to exert so much energy to hype myself up and to be able to do this the simplest things. And also my life is amazing. I’m so grateful for my life, my work. It’s like such soulful work to me and

The Accrescent (10:36.934)
Yeah.

The Accrescent (10:54.161)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (10:59.31)
But when that overwhelm is at its peak, it sort of feels like every, everything feels heavy. Everything feels like a burden, even though intellectually I am like, this is not a burden. I am literally living out my dreams. So why does it still feel so heavy? And so the, back opened up everything for me of, really engaging with it in that way. And, and when I let myself just let words come organically into my mind, everything that came up was around my dad. So.

That’s when I was like, OK. My therapist and I, were meeting. We actually were only meeting once a month for a little while there. And I was like, OK, it’s time to dive in deep and meet weekly for a while and really tend this topic consistently. And I’m not kidding you, week one of it. it’s.

The Accrescent (11:47.676)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (11:52.175)
Fucking heavy. Like I’m not even gonna lie. It is heavy. And there are pieces of this abuse and trauma that we’re looking at together now that I haven’t looked at before. I think before it was really about like, it was a ton of, I think repressed fear from the abused child. And that’s what the bulk of the processing was around. And then needing to get him out of my life.

And that’s what 2023 was about is facing those things. And after I faced those things, I really felt like a deep equilibrium that settled in. But last year, it really did start with him becoming homeless again. And that rocked me like emotionally, psychologically so much more than I would have thought. And

It opened up this fear of like, if he’s not housed and I don’t know where he’s living, he could be anywhere. And it really, I mean, I got incredibly ill the month he became homeless. was like physically super, super unwell. And yet, and so it opened up some new pieces of it. And pieces that are really dark.

The Accrescent (12:49.059)
Ugh, yeah.

The Accrescent (13:06.769)
Mm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (13:11.863)
and sad and heavy and related to this time I think a lot more shame. A lot more shame. And also older parts. You know, I’ve talked a little bit about like a lot of the work I had done was around honestly like a three year old version of me who was sexually abused and this time it was more like a seven or an eight year old version of me. Or the seven year old me, the eight year old me.

The Accrescent (13:17.136)
Mm.

The Accrescent (13:33.212)
Okay. Great.

The Accrescent (13:37.937)
Right.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (13:40.463)
you know memories that surfaced and and just going whoa that’s that’s too much right now and to be fair I really think it was for a time I really think it would have been too much because those memories surfaced kind of middle of last year and well I guess maybe I should pause I feel like I’m just going on a rant now

The Accrescent (13:46.512)
Right.

The Accrescent (14:02.768)
No, no, no, I think that’s great. I think that’s really important because I think what we need to think about here is like bringing it back to and how did you know? Like this is it. This is the big question. Everyone’s thinking, I don’t know if I have capacity or how do I build capacity or do I just have to do it or like, and I think it would be helpful for people to understand that you did that the last several weeks and you are sitting here, you are not dead.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (14:28.096)
Yeah.

The Accrescent (14:28.508)
You are okay. And, you know, I think it’s important that we touch on that for people too, because I think there’s a such a fear and a block for people to doing this work. They need to hear a practitioner saying like, I did it and I’m on the not the other side, but like I went through a session, I survived. This is what I have to say about it.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (14:46.167)
Yeah. Yeah. So I’ll answer that, I am going to answer it in like a long roundabout way. As I do.

The Accrescent (14:52.198)
Please, please, please.

Love.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (14:58.829)
I actually think it was discerning for me to shelve that topic for a bit because when it came up, it was in the middle of, it was pretty wild. There was like two months last year. I’d want to say like maybe three months, July, August, and September where my partner got diagnosed with eye cancer. A week later, my best friend’s mom got diagnosed with lung cancer. And so I was…

playing a really significant role in that for each of them because of the work I do with cancer patients, which I am so happy to do and was incredibly emotional and overwhelming and scary. And then there was my brother-in-law and sister-in-law, there was some really sad extended family trauma that happened with them. There was stuff happening over here.

my dad’s homeless. And so it kind of felt like literally within a month period, tragedies hit like five people in my life, five intimate people in my life. And then this trauma came up within my own space. And so I do think it’s actually discerning to say if I had really tried to go deep into that topic, it would have been way too much. And I think way too destabilizing. I don’t think I would have been able to

show up for anyone, keep my business going. So I think there was a period where it was like, okay, we got to, that’s big. There is no room for that right now. We’re going to come back to that. But this is part of, think what I wanted to get into in today’s conversation is kind of exactly what we’re saying. What that led me into was then hyper fixating on

all the physical health stuff where I came out of that three month of like insane trauma for so many people in my life and myself and felt incredibly unwell incredibly unwell in a number of different ways mind you I’m also still detoxing from mold and dealing with issues there and so I felt so deeply sick

Leigh Ann Lindsey (17:15.435)
every single day for a long time. But I think part of the unconscious defense mechanism was to hyper fixate on the physical stuff. And I kind of got stuck in this pattern. First of all, it’s like once you’re on the hamster wheel, it’s so hard to slow yourself down. You know, where I’m like saying yes to so many more clients than I normally would, you know, like my schedule’s booked and yet I keep squeezing people in even though I know I’m overextending myself.

so many, I’m abandoning some of my health routines because I’m so overwhelmed. And then it just starts to become this really nasty downward spiral where I’m so strung out in some ways that then when you end the workday, you just want to zone out on the phone or zone out on the TV, which is not actually restorative in any way. So then you’re not really restoring.

The Accrescent (18:08.379)
rate.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (18:12.231)
and then you’re doing less of your health routines, which makes you feel worse, which makes you abandon your routines even more. And that was kind of the spiral. felt like I got stuck in for a little bit there. Now with that said, I also am proud of myself because my baseline slipped from what it normally is. And I still think my baseline was much, much higher than past versions of myself or maybe like the standard American. So I holding that nuance, but.

The Accrescent (18:37.402)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (18:41.441)
It just became this nasty spiral, right?

The Accrescent (18:43.418)
Right. And it’s easy to then want to throw like, well, I’ll just do, you know, more time in the sauna or sunlight or try a different supplement. Like I’ll do all these things. And we were talking off air, like we had some really amazing guests with incredible products in the last six or eight months. And they’re all so fascinating and they do incredible things for people. And yet there is no amount of supplementing your way out of.

you know, the thing that you need to face and that’s kind of where you’re at right now.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (19:13.123)
Yeah.

Yeah, completely. And so I kind of got myself in this loop of I’m having headaches every day, all day. Okay, what, you know, yeah, there must be another supplement I need that I’m not taking. There must be another treatment I need to be doing that I’m not doing. There must be more this or more that. And I was looking to all of these external factors. And again, I mean, you know, we hold so much nuance here. It’s not to say that that’s inherently wrong or bad.

The Accrescent (19:44.764)
Truly.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (19:46.287)
But I got caught up in it to the point that the emotional contributors completely left my mind. But I think a part of the point I’m also trying to make is I don’t think that was random. I think that was an unconscious protective mechanism of I’m still not ready to look at that. I don’t want to look at that. So let’s make this a purely physical problem. It’s this.

The Accrescent (20:08.668)
Let’s buy us some time.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (20:11.105)
Yeah, it’s this, it’s that, okay, well, let’s research one more supplement. Let’s just do some more red light. Let’s do some more biocharger, whatever it might be and how I think we can use that hyper fixation on the physical as a scapegoat for some of the things we’re experiencing.

The Accrescent (20:17.852)
I’m really sorry.

The Accrescent (20:32.134)
Totally. So where are you now today? How are you feeling after a few sessions having gone through into the depths of some of these emotions and memories?

Leigh Ann Lindsey (20:42.735)
I think that’s what is so powerful about it. And this is why I love doing this work too, because it reminds me of how powerful the emotional work can be. I had a session a couple of weeks back with my psychotherapist and I mean, we looked at dead in the face, this topic of being seven years old, being sexually abused by him and

Different implications of that different facets of that that I hadn’t looked at before and what was amazing is like after as Heavy and dark as that content was after that week. I felt so light I Had more joy I had more peace my week just felt full of ease and I didn’t have to do this Constant daily battle to like hype myself up for the day

And it was just so eyeopening for me of yeah, yeah. Um, this is the thing that’s taking up so much psychic space. And, know, I start the day at 50 % capacity because this thing is over here draining all my capacity all the time. So it was so powerful to see. Even, even though it’s not solved, you know, we’re, only like.

The Accrescent (21:57.18)
right?

Leigh Ann Lindsey (22:06.479)
two or three sessions really into this topic and looking at it really deeply. Even though it’s not solved or resolved, there’s still a lot of heavy things to sit with. Just the acknowledgement. I think the inner self, the unconscious being like, okay, you’re listening. You’re not gonna shove me in a cupboard anymore. You’re gonna let me come out and be heard so I don’t need to keep ringing alarm bells.

The Accrescent (22:22.128)
Yeah. Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (22:32.481)
I don’t, this isn’t even like a way I need to carry all the time because it’s almost like, okay, I know I’m gonna come back to that. So in the in between, I’m gonna set that down right here. And I don’t need that taking up all this psychic space all the time.

The Accrescent (22:49.296)
I think it’s so powerful for practitioners to talk about this just because I think it’s very common on the client side to, you know, not to go through this exact experience and not be able to address something and to recognize like, man, that was a thing maybe a few years ago or even recently, but I’m just sort of putting it off. I’m definitely kicking that can down the road. And then you almost shame yourself like, well, I know Leanne wouldn’t do that. Like I know.

that my practitioner is gonna be really frustrated with me because I should be doing this work and I’m not, and I’m sure they never avoid it like that. And I think just to hear someone say, like, yeah, it’s a human struggle. You can, even on the practitioner side, find this very challenging.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (23:25.871)
Mmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (23:37.175)
Yeah. Yeah. And it’s not about, I don’t know, becoming like a perfect, becoming someone who tends their emotions perfectly all the time. I just, yeah.

The Accrescent (23:47.854)
Yeah, I think we get lost in that a little bit. if I just, that’s another practice I’ll build, like to go right along my meditation practice, I will perfectly address my emotional state. You know, and really it’s like, how good can your life get? How full can it be? How much of yourself do you want to become? If you want those things, then this is the path and your practitioner is there to walk alongside you to encourage it’s…

you know, your growth and capacity to step into that fully. It’s not a judgment.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (24:18.923)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, completely. And just, yeah, I am not here to model perfection.

I’m here to model the journey as much as anyone else and own that I have my stuff too and I avoid things. But I think that also helps me really empathize and resonate with clients who are in a bit of avoidance. And I can so deeply empathize with, yeah, I know exactly what it feels like to have a big, heavy, dark thing that I do not want to look at.

The Accrescent (24:38.043)
Yeah.

The Accrescent (24:50.577)
where

The Accrescent (24:54.875)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (24:55.804)
And I also know what it feels like to go face that dark thing and how much lightness and peace and ease can come from it.

The Accrescent (25:03.42)
Are you feeling like, okay, this was the right time for me?

Leigh Ann Lindsey (25:09.679)
100%. I mean, back to that kind of nasty spiral, it’s like, there is a very real element of when I am so physically depleted, doing some of that deep emotional work might be too much. And so what I feel like January and coming into February were was,

The Accrescent (25:24.454)
Right.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (25:31.017)
Raising my physical health baseline again like bringing back in, you know being a little more diligent with my work schedule Being more diligent with my health routine. So that that kind of raised the physical health baseline Which then allowed me to start to be more diligent with my journaling and my dream tending which then

gave me even more energy, which allowed me to be even more diligent with my healthcare routines. So I will say, there’s this interesting dance I think sometimes that’s necessary of, we do have to raise the baseline on both ends, physically and emotionally, to be able to do some of this deeper work. And I think that’s what a lot of January and February were. And at the same time,

The Accrescent (25:55.964)
Sure.

The Accrescent (26:08.38)
Enjoy.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (26:17.889)
What I hear sometimes from clients, not all the time, but I’ve heard it on a number of different occasions is I know there’s that big thing I need to talk about. Once my health is better, I will address it. And, or once I’m out of this stressful situation, I will address that thing. And that brings us right back to that catch 22 of, okay, let’s try that for a while. And

The Accrescent (26:26.289)
Mm.

The Accrescent (26:30.844)
sure.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (26:45.855)
If the stressful thing is never going away such that we can address this or my health isn’t getting to a better place where I can address this, I think that’s where we might need to go. This might be a huge factor of why I’m stuck in this state. And so even in this somewhat depleted state, I might need to go look at this thing, but with support and guidance and containment so that it doesn’t derail me or…

The Accrescent (26:51.1)
story.

The Accrescent (27:00.582)
Right.

The Accrescent (27:14.884)
Yeah, I was going to say there have to be some like other practices or perspectives that can help people sort of unpeel these layers in a way that doesn’t send them like really tanking, especially if they’re already in sort of a depleted state.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (27:15.065)
crashed me, yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (27:30.145)
Yeah, you know, the imagery that’s coming to me is like you’re you’re walking along a trail and you have this huge boulder on your back and you’re like this this hike is brutal. It’s so hard. When I get to the end, I’ll put this boulder down and it’s kind of going like, I don’t know. I think maybe putting the boulder down is what’s going to allow you to get to the end. So.

The Accrescent (27:47.76)
Yeah.

The Accrescent (27:55.354)
Right, yes, I know. It’s just sometimes so hard to imagine. I think sometimes the unleashing of the boulder and getting it off your shoulders feels a lot more complex. Maybe then even it is, I don’t know. But sometimes I think it can be very complex. Like to your earlier point, working through this with your psychotherapist is…

not easy, it’s not a simple process and it will take time. So I think those sorts of perspectives or sort of like your projection of what the experience might feel like onto whatever emotional situation you need to address is half the battle, right? It’s our perception of what it might take to put the boulder down that’s so hard about it.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (28:35.384)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (28:39.695)
Totally. And I think the reality is sometimes it is work. It’s not that imagery oversimplifies it, right? It’s, we’ll just let go of the boulder. It’s not that simple. is deep emotional tending is not, well, just release it and have a conscious intention to release it. So it is hard and it does take effort and it does take energy and it does take capacity in very literal ways.

The Accrescent (28:50.182)
Sure. Yeah.

The Accrescent (28:58.437)
Yes.

The Accrescent (29:06.876)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (29:08.343)
But that’s where it’s kind of like, think I not even intentionally started raising the baseline slowly, a little bit physically, a little bit emotionally that got that spiral going upward instead of downward and ultimately raised the baseline enough that I could now face this thing. But I probably, you know, I could have gotten stuck in this like…

The Accrescent (29:24.944)
Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (29:30.467)
Well, once all of these chronic headaches are gone, then I’ll have the capacity to really address this thing. But the reality is, since I’ve addressed this thing, I haven’t had headaches.

The Accrescent (29:41.808)
Wow. I mean, it’s pretty telling.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (29:45.153)
And all of my other symptoms have gotten so much better. And it’s, it’s, go ahead.

The Accrescent (29:49.659)
Yeah.

Well, just you did release the boulders in a manner of speaking. You’re in the process of that. So everything else can kind of start working for you in a different way. Every other health modality you’re doing is just 10 times more effective because you’re not carrying all this weight on you.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (30:10.733)
Yeah, it brought me to, and we’ll start to land this plane, but I recently interviewed Dr. Neil Nathan on the podcast. I don’t, I don’t know if that episode will be alive or not by the time this goes out, but we’re talking about the sensitive patient and mass cell activation. And I really, was struggling with mass cell issues and hypersensitivities to different things that I’ve never experienced in my entire life. But in that interview with him.

What he talked about is the difference between the limbic system and the nervous system. And the nervous system is a huge part of this, but the limbic system is actually the one that’s more important, because the limbic system is the one that controls the nervous system. And the limbic system is all about, right, it’s our amygdala, it’s different parts of the brain, and it is all about safety. But it’s more so about our thoughts, our unconscious mind.

And it just, really struck me so much because the way he mapped it out is if you are experiencing this hypersensitivity to all these different things, you mass cell activation? We need to look at the nervous system and the limbic system, but we kind of need to look at the limbic system first before we even address the nervous system. And it was very eyeopening for me because it made me go, I’ve been doing a lot of nervous system work.

And it’s supportive, but it hasn’t moved the needle massively. I need to focus on this limbic system. But what’s so interesting is the work I’m doing with my psychotherapist is exactly that. It’s what is keeping my limbic system in a state of threat, in a state of danger. And it’s this topic. So addressing this topic is helping my amygdala quiet those

The Accrescent (31:40.144)
Right.

The Accrescent (31:57.871)
Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (32:03.353)
fight flight responses, which is then helping my nervous system settle. And interestingly, you know, I’ve, I’ve been in this mole journey for a year now. And now to be fair, it was getting much, much better early last year. And then after kind of like the summer of trauma, everything just skyrocketed in the worst way.

And so the last six months of last year, feel like I was throwing every possible thing at it that I could from a physical modality supplement perspective. And interestingly, like it’s the emotional work that has moved the needle for me most in the last two weeks.

The Accrescent (32:40.508)
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would want to say I’m surprised, but I don’t think either of us are really. We just know. Yeah. I think especially when you know there’s something that’s in the back of your head that needs addressing, you kind of have a sense of that all the time, right? Like you have a little like niggling sense in the back of your head like, oh, okay, well.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (32:46.359)
Yeah.

The Accrescent (33:02.478)
I want to, I really do want to, and you make a lot of promises to yourself, but I think that builds the shame spiral. I think it just, you know, not honoring that like commitment to yourself to circle back just makes the problem so much worse.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (33:19.535)
For sure. Cause then you’re creating a second wound, which is a lack of trust and safety with myself, which then that in and of itself starts to become a nasty downward spiral of my inner self. My psyche is like, I need this thing to be processed. I keep kicking it down the road. So now my psyche doesn’t trust me. So now it’s almost afraid to bring it up and address it. So then I avoid it even more so that, you know, and it can kind of become a little bit of that downward spiral too. So yeah.

The Accrescent (33:25.274)
Right. Right.

The Accrescent (33:31.59)
Yeah.

The Accrescent (33:42.406)
Right.

The Accrescent (33:48.74)
I think you mentioned a few good things, just even asking yourself like what is ready to come up? You know, if you’re someone who doesn’t have access to a practitioner, can’t afford one at this time, need to make do with what you have available to you. I think that’s an excellent question to begin that conversation around, you know, bringing things to mind that need to potentially be letting the boulder roll off your, off your back. Right.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (34:12.077)
Yeah, yeah. And I think to that end, it’s just if you if you’re experiencing something with physical health that you have thrown everything you can at it from a physiological perspective and it’s not really moving the needle, that might be a cue that one of the biggest contributing factors is some emotional component. yes, thanks for hosting that and guiding us through it.

The Accrescent (34:32.036)
Yeah, excellent. Thanks for sharing as always. Always. All right, can’t wait to see what we talk about next.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (34:42.443)
I know, onward and upward.