THE ACCRESCENT™ PODCAST EPISODE 210

Leigh Ann Lindsey (00:01.004)
Well, Dr. Steph, welcome to the Accrescent Podcast.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (00:04.409)
Thank you so much for having me.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (00:07.338)
I’m super excited. I don’t know if you’re familiar. I, in my private practice, I mainly work with individuals experiencing cancer and chronic illness, but through the emotional lens, supporting them through the diagnoses, but then really looking at emotional contributors to disease, to illness. So to that end though, the lymphatic system is something those of us in the, you know.

integrative healing world are talking about so much and the lymphatic system plays a huge role for my cancer patients and chronic illness patients. So I’m excited to do a really, really deep dive into the lymphatic system. But I do think let’s start with a little bit of an origin story. What got you here? What got you into chiropractic work, into functional medicine, and maybe some of your own personal healing story?

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (00:57.997)
Yeah, so honestly, just like most people in our field, right, it’s the personal story that kind of really got me involved specifically with lymphatics and Lyme disease. I was already a chiropractor when I got sick or it was my end of my chiropractic college degree. you know, it’s usually that perfect storm when we see people get sick anyway. So you’re super stressed, there’s something else going on in life. And I went from a perfectly functioning, normal human being to being fully hijacked.

And by that I mean one day I’m totally normal and functioning well and the next day I’m sitting in a movie theater, this was in 2010, and all of a sudden just like this surge through my body of an uncontrollable anxiety and aching, like a feeling like, you know, something foreign was in there that shouldn’t be in there. And I had to leave in that moment and I started shocking things as well. So I’m like talking about actual like static electricity was like stuck in my body. It’s like,

nothing I’d experienced in the past. And over the next few days, my symptoms went from, you know, just that energy feeling to like severely swollen joints to my hair falling out to bleeding bowels to, you know, this sense of impending doom that I’d never felt before. And, you know, no one took me seriously though, until I got Bell’s palsy. Like I had to have a half paralyzed face in order for this to…

be taken seriously. And at that time, you know, no one was really helping me in the chiropractic college. No one knew anything about this, you know, scary thing that was happening to me. I went and saw naturopaths. I was going to the emergency room over and over. And, you know, it was, I was tentatively diagnosed with MS at that point in time. And I was so like not in tune with my body. Now that I look back to that time, I was in tune, not like, cause all of these symptoms that I eradicated through

I found functional medicine, they told me I had multiple sclerosis, which I didn’t accept that diagnosis. Something happened in that moment. You know, I got really sick and it was only retrospectively when everything reactivated in 2021 that I actually realized. I had suspicions, but I actually found out it was textbook Lyme disease that I had at that time, right? And Lyme creates a lot of pain, it creates a lot of swelling, right? It creates this huge immune response.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (03:24.325)
And I experienced swelling both of the times and it was part of the reason that I had sore joints and whatnot. you you just don’t tie everything together when you have no clue what’s really going on in your body. when once in 2010, when that happened and no one really knew what was going on, that’s when I dove into functional medicine. And I actually think every thought at that point, everything turned on for me because of parasites, because I started working on parasites and working on my diet. And then it was enough to put me into full blown remission and get me kind of

going on with my life, having my career, you know, blowing up. I’m still learning about Lyme, but I still don’t think it’s common. Like I still have those same predispositions everyone has until 2021 when really like I got hijacked again. So like, and that’s when I experienced severe lymphedema, right? And I mean, I had a double D left breast, right? And 75 % of our lymph clears through the left side.

right into into our lymphatic duct there. It’s called the thoracic duct. So there’s a lot of space in around your collarbones and anyone who sees anything about lymph work, they’re like, gently pumping the collarbone below, right, we we do a little bit deeper stuff because we say we work on deep lymphatics and we’ll get into that. But that was one of the aha moments was I was all swollen here. And so I got some work done around my collarbone. I even got these injections called neural therapy.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (04:51.086)
Okay.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (04:51.159)
And neural therapy is an injection of prokane. So the stuff that dentists use to like freeze your gums is used in a different way in what people call interference fields. So I was very puffy here. So I had little, almost bee stings of prokane injected just under the skin. And then I had some lymphatic work. And in those moments, all of a sudden I started getting heart palp after heart palp after heart palp, very close together. And heart palpitations were already part of my

symptom pattern I was having in 2021, but this was like very intense and with every palp, the swelling went down. So it was like this aha moment and even the guy who was treating me with the needles, he’s like, I even I’ve never felt lymph like that. Like it was like a wave under your skin. And then so it gave me all of this like, you know, my own story was what fueled a lot of what, you know, I learned and now I’m teaching but I was already doing a lot of this stuff to people just not really

Leigh Ann Lindsey (05:37.665)
Wow.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (05:49.411)
realizing that I was focusing on the lymph because I was always working on the stuck fascia around like the collarbones and everything but we’re not taught in chiropractic college to work on lymph not in my chiropractic college at all it’s not it’s not even talked about right it’s barely talked about in lots of things but yeah that’s a very long story about how I got into that sorry kind of went off there.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (06:01.762)
Yeah. it’s so loud. Yeah.

No, not at all. I mean, I resonate with it so deeply because I’m now doing what I’m doing because it started with an early stage breast cancer diagnosis for me in 2020. And now I work almost exclusively with cancer patients. So there really is something from your lived experience and also the unconscious work, because that’s really my specialty is depth psychology.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (06:33.317)
Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (06:33.964)
I do that on myself every day and there’s so much I learned from being my own patient that I then bring to the work with clients. So I love that. And I don’t love that you might still struggle with symptoms, but I love that you are using yourself to learn and explore so many different things. So I do want to start just, just because I think this is a good place of a once over on what is the lymphatic system. It’s one of those things that is talked about so much. And maybe there’s general understanding of like,

I’m supposed to be supporting my lymphatic system. I do want to give that once over for someone who might not really understand what it is, why this is an important system to pay attention to.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (07:06.703)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (07:15.457)
Yeah, it’s a pretty overlooked system. Like I said, we didn’t even learn it in chiropractic college, but I mean, it’s pretty much your sewage system of your body, right? So you’ve got, everyone knows about your veins and your arteries, but then like, you know, when pressure goes through those veins and arteries and the liquid comes out, like through osmosis, the lymph is the clear liquid that gets put, that pushed out into the system. And then your body has to reabsorb it and clean it out. It cleans out.

all your fascia, all of your muscles, like all around your organs, your organs, everything has lymphatic vessels, right? So they’re different than your blood vessels. They don’t link up to capillaries and they don’t switch from arteries to veins. They’re a blind end. So they just end like say in your fingers and then there’s little checkpoints and the checkpoints are your lymph nodes. And your lymph nodes are like the filter and that’s where your immune cells

are very active and they’re helping to filter and clear out and kill whatever’s there because we all have like a whole terrain in our body. Like our blood is not sterile. It is not sterile in our lymphatic system. Like there’s a whole ecosystem happening and when it gets sludged up and you know there’s too much waste or things aren’t flowing, if you picture like a river flowing,

Leigh Ann Lindsey (08:25.697)
Yes!

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (08:40.557)
you know, when you see a river flowing, you see the water’s nice and clean and pristine and the rocks are doing the filtering, right? And when you see a pond or stagnation, that’s when you start seeing algae growing and you know, it’s smelly and waste like that you can picture that and there’s there’s little reservoirs in our body that are the lymphatics are harder to clear out like our eyeballs are one of them, right? Like, or there’s like our joints are places where things get stuck. so we focus a lot on that. And then we think

very integrated with your lymphatic system is your fascia because that’s your lymphatics are what are clearing out cleaning out your fascia right they’re they’re poorly vascularized but they have lots of lymph that is supposed to be nourishing them and when you’re sick you don’t get those you don’t get micro circulation and you don’t get micro lymphatic circulation so you don’t get that cleaning and you what you get is sticky fascia and scar tissue starting

to form in different areas that create interference fields. So that’s where there’s blockages in our body and fascia also holds a motion and there’s all this, you know, that’s right up your alley. And so, you know, clearing fascia is how you actually affect the deep lymph too, because everyone, see them working on superficial lymph, right? So there’s the dry brush, there’s the gentle pumping, right? That’s gonna work your superficial lymph, but guess what? Your superficial lymph,

Leigh Ann Lindsey (09:50.606)
Thank you.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (10:09.541)
has to drain deeper. And if your organ lymph isn’t clearing and that’s the deeper lymph, they’re both gonna be backed up. There’s gonna be a traffic jam, right? So our technique is a lot more teasing and stuff of the fascia as opposed to soft pumping because when I soft pumped, if anything, it made me worse because it stirred some stuff up but there was no clearance happening, right? And even like people’s rebounding or movement and those things definitely help fascia.

not fascia sorry, lymphatics, but your lymph moves electrostatically, right? And these bugs come in and these toxins come in and they change your frequency and you no longer have, it’s even the way when you really look into like the way our blood gets to every piece of tissue. It’s not from the heart pumping it down to your toes. It’s from the fourth phase of water it’s called or structured water, right? That’s part of the way that…

that we move through, have to have the right frequencies in our body. So that goes into, you know, grounding that goes into clearing emotions like the stuff that you do. Then there’s the manual part that we do. Then there’s the, you know, the nourishing the body, the making sure you have enough water or fluid or hydration that, that helps to clear these areas. So, you know, when we’re

inundated with frequencies that are stagnating our lymph and we are more than ever right now which is why people are having more problems than ever and I mentioned lymph but there’s also COVID, there’s also anything that introduced the spike protein into your body, there’s also all the stress and emotions that have happened, there’s also all the dirty electricity plus the man-made EMF coming at us every day. This is sludging us up.

just in general. And when we already have toxins in our body and when we have like unresolved trauma in our body, then that’s how we end up creating the big disease. And then there’s the part that there is a genetic component and epigenetics where some people don’t clear these toxins as well, and they’re going to be more at risk. But all of that comes together to create stickiness in certain areas where we want it to be flowing. So I hope that’s kind of a clear picture.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (12:22.477)
of what the lymphatic system is.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (12:22.543)
I think so. Can you give us some, I really, very excited to get into the deep lymph work, because that is, I think, the missing piece in so much of what I’m seeing, especially on social media, because that’s where so much of this stuff goes around. So I’m very excited to get into that, how to support that, why things like movement aren’t enough.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (12:43.013)
Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (12:43.651)
why things like some of these, know, some of these things, need more support than that. But I do want to start with maybe common, but also not so common signs you might need lymph work. Of course, the general, the general message is we all need lymph work because we all have a lymph system. But, know, in some of the other episodes I was listening that you’ve done, there might be some signs like, I have a lot of puffiness. And then there might be some that someone’s having this symptom that they wouldn’t actually pair it with a lymphatic issue.

might go, I have a joint issue or something.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (13:16.517)
Yeah, we see that all the time, especially with chronic joint stuff when they have said, nothing’s really wrong or, or sometimes they think it’s something else and we have been able to fix them by clearing deep lymph, right? So like we had someone with like severely chronic hip pain and how sore their hip was and how much they couldn’t perform didn’t really fit together with like their images of, you know, that the doctors were doing gross anatomical changes because you can’t, no one can really image lymph.

So joint pain is a big one and I start to explain to people like that morning joint stiffness, like a lot of like, my hands hurt or when I stepped down, my feet are tight or a lot of it where it goes and sits and gravity pulls it down, including sacral edema. So a lot of like this chronic low back pain, a lot of lymph gets stuck in the lower abdomen and you know, you have that little pouch and it’s not clearing upwards because everything has to clear upwards. whenever you learn about lymph,

you know, first you’re clearing the opening, right, at the collarbones where everything comes. And then if you’re clearing your legs, you also have to clear your belly because your belly is where this huge cisterna cilia is, one of the biggest lymph nodes in the body. And we’ve got to get that loosened up so things can come up and even clear through the lymph nodes or through the lymphatic ducts. So we have to, you know, there’s a flow and an area to treat first, but…

other things like people things people recognize as like, you know, your eyes are puffy. Or even when people get really sick and their face changes, and it’s very much puffy, like that’s lymphatics stuck in there. And it’s cortisol that like mobilizes some fat and all of that. But you know, when you start to clear those things, and a big thing I talk about, so I don’t want to forget to say it is, you know, we get this traffic jam. And let’s say it all, for me, it was all puffed up.

all on my left side where 75 % of your whole body drains to here, right? Only one quarter drains to the right side. It still can get backed up, but obviously the left is more important. When we get a traffic jam here, so you can imagine your vagus nerve is quite superficial in your neck, right? And so now things aren’t clearing, so you start to get it over your thyroid and people can have thyroid problems.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (15:29.603)
and you get the waste that’s supposed to be clearing through your circulation and then out through your poop or out through your pee after it goes to your liver. Instead, it’s now building up in your neck. And so people can get that jump out of your skin anxiety when you’re not clearing the lymph there. You can get like, for me, I got a swollen arm when my right side, I could feel like my arm kind of swelling up and I’d have to like really work on the tissue here, which is what I show people like.

really working on the fascia on your chest and the fascia over your traps. And I could actually feel blood flow like returning, because my hand would be slightly colder on this side, right? So if you have a temperature difference on each side, like when someone gets a lot of like sore throats or tonsillitis, like that is a sign of lymph not draining. A lot of our lymph work when we are working to clear your head, we’re going inside your mouth and we’re working in your mouth to clear there and we’re working outside of the neck and then we’re opening up.

the collarbone. So, you know, that’s a huge part or huge symptoms that people don’t know. But the heart palpitations, when you have had everything ruled out for your heart and you’re still like, there’s this, there’s a palp, but don’t worry. It’s a, it’s a PVC. So it’s not life threatening, but you feel uncomfortable and terrified when you feel like a jolt in your chest, right? So that’s deep lymph mechanically putting pressure on your very electric heart, your heart.

is the most, your brain is the most electric, but what does it have around it? It has a whole cage, right? Your heart has your lungs and soft tissue that can still push on it. So even just the example, like as the lymph was clearing through my heart and I got those more palps, right? It was trying to pump that waste and stuff out, right? So, and it changes the electrical fields because think about it too, there’s metals in there, there’s…

Leigh Ann Lindsey (17:17.583)
the city.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (17:25.281)
environmental toxins in your lymphatics. There’s debris of different bacteria your bodies are trying to clean up, be it the bodies of the actual bugs or the actual pee and poop of the bugs, like, you know, if you want to think of it like that. that kind of stuff. And even like when your lungs are backed up, like chronic cough, you know, we’re seeing like the lymphatics that are in between your

rib cage each rib in your rib cage and pumping the ribs. So powerful for so many of these kind of symptoms that I just talked about, including like the severe anxiety, you know, and then when life gets really backed up, then you start getting cerebral spinal fluid issues, right? Because they all the pressure changes. And so people are getting like dense in their head or pressure at the top of their head, or pressure in between their eyes here, or lots of liquid coming out like puffy eyes because of this

it’s called spiky leaky syndrome. like if our cerebral spinal fluid, the pressure goes too high and then it pushes some of the fluid out and then that’s the lymph now that has to get cleared out. I mean, there are so many symptoms that can be attributed to lymph that are not so obvious. And then there’s a one where you see, okay, I have an enlarged lymph node when you’re fighting something off or, you know, or, you know, I had severe lymphedema on my right groin cause that’s a lot of where Lyme had

you know, went into my unhealthy hip because they likes to go to like more diseased tissue and create issues. So yeah, I mean, so many symptoms I could keep going really, but

Leigh Ann Lindsey (19:01.559)
Yeah.

I know that’s so powerful though, because I think there’s a lot of us who have pursued root, you know, what is this? Why is this happening? And to be able to go, the lymphatics might be a contributing factor in this. Let me go find some support. I love that. Can you speak really quickly to one of the things I heard you say was you asked this question, is it anxiety or is it toxicity? I think. Can you speak to that just a little bit more? And you kind of were starting to talk about how, you know, when that lymph builds up, especially around the neck, it’s putting

this pressure on the vagus nerve. Can you speak to that more?

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (19:36.503)
Yeah, so again, through my own experience, I was having that terrible anxiety. And so I was asking a lot of questions. And once I worked on my chest and I was like, my gosh, I feel like I’m calm and I can breathe because like I said, waste and we’re talking waste, heavy metals. We’re talking all of those things I named before sitting over top of your vagus nerve, hijacking your parasympathetic, the rest and digest side and throwing you into like

releasing of cortisol and you’re in your sympathetic nervous system because the body is responding to the nerve not wanting it’s sending a signal. There’s tons of waste out there, you know, and it’s coming back down and then the body goes into this cortisol response to go on high alert and try and clean stuff up. But then there’s nothing for it to clean up. So even the act of your body trying to clean more up when you’re not clearing the toxins because you have a physical structural blockage.

then you end up with that jump out of your skin. And that’s what I mean. that those toxins create this whole response in your body that makes your body not feel safe. Right? So, and I love all the emotional stuff, but like there, you have to work on the physical body as well. Right? So you can’t be willing your way out of like a structural issue. Actually, I’m not saying it’s not possible. It is possible for some people, but most of us cannot.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (20:50.703)
100%.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (21:02.533)
Right.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (21:02.959)
Yeah, well, and I’m all about everything is interconnected. It’s all contributing factors. That’s why even for me, don’t even like really to say emotional root cause. I like to say emotional contributors. What might be some of the emotional contributors? There’s also probably a few physical contributors too, structural contributors. So it’s all important. We’re not looking at things in isolation, absolutely.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (21:07.619)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (21:16.291)
Yeah, I love that.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (21:27.161)
No, I’m the same as you.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (21:29.199)
So what I want to ask about is, I want to start with, what are maybe things you’re hearing or seeing people doing, people coaching people on maybe in social media, when it comes to supporting the lymph system, that you’re just like, that is counterproductive, that’s actually not working, that’s not very effective. What are some of those things that we might be doing that you’re like, that is either wasting our time or in fact, actually quite counterproductive?

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (21:50.809)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (21:58.531)
Yeah, I mean, I don’t want to say that the like dry brushing to me is not it’s it’s nice for your skin, you’re sloughing off some of the bad skin, but you’re not going to solve any of these chronic problems that you’re having with something like that. It’s going to feel good and maybe get you a little bit of blood flow to the surface. But again, like, it’s nothing that people are doing that’s like totally counterproductive, but it’s just it’s not going to move the needle. That’s that’s you’ve got to almost create a vacuum.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (22:22.691)
not exactly inefficient and.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (22:27.577)
Does that make sense? You’ve got to open up so much space here for things to come through because your lymph knows where to go. There’s also a lot of like you have to push it this way. Are you crazy? Your body is so smart. Do you think it doesn’t know where your lymph has to go if you push it one way? Like, no, that’s not how it’s working. So that’s always funny to me. Opening up in the right order makes sense because you have to create space. But like when you’re actually like

working on the areas and they’re like, have to go counterclockwise or something like, no, you really, your body knows where the lymph has to go. You just have to create space for it to go there, right? So that’s one of the key things. And then, know, rebounding again, it’s not like I think it’s bad, but it’s not, if you’re just, if you have a traffic jam here, okay. And now you’ve just jumped more, like maybe if you’re lucky and it’s a tiny little space that you’ve let a little bit through, but mostly you can end up

Leigh Ann Lindsey (22:59.96)
Okay.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (23:20.365)
releasing more from your body, right, as you’re jumping, which again could create some issues for some people. That’s what I’ve seen. The vibration plate, I think is great when you’re ready for it. But I think some people have like used it to an extent where they’ve broken down so much. And again, because they’re not open and things aren’t draining, then they’ve ended up in a bad way because they’re pretty aggressive, but they’re helpful when you’re ready for it. So those are some things that I see.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (23:46.351)
a flare or a first reaction or just more like fluid buildup.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (23:49.027)
Yeah, and then I don’t see people. Yeah, and then I don’t. And then what I see actually had someone burst assist in their breast, and then get sepsis, someone that I know, from the vibration plate. So that kind of thing, it could be too much. So you got to start off low, get your body ready for it. That’s what we’re all about. micro dose until you macro dose. But then the other thing is, like, I don’t see enough talking about that, that lymph moves electrostatically. And there are like, even like ELT when they use like, the static to move

the lymph, the electrodes, those, like, I think that that’s a missing piece, like, you know, and mineral balance, like, is a missing piece. So I see a lot of like missing pieces. And then for me, though, it’s like, no one’s talking about the deep lymphatics. It’s like as if the lymph is only in your skin, right? It is cleaning out every organ, like it is deep in your body, and they all kind of come together where they have to drain. So, you know, just using

Leigh Ann Lindsey (24:45.363)
Yeah. So let’s get into that piece. Because again, that really is the missing piece. I’ve never even heard this talked about. And so we have superficial lymph nodes. Those are the ones that most of us are aware of. We can feel in our neck. When we’re dry brushing on our arm, we’re probably stimulating those. But then we have the deep lymph, which is kind of maybe deep in our thoracic area.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (24:53.999)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (25:02.053)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (25:09.323)
even in like think of like the cisterna, Kylie, that’s your deep lymph, that’s a lymph node, but that is that’s deep, right? It’s like behind your your stomach, like it is, and it’s clearing out your has to clear out everything from your lower body down. It’s like right under your rib cage, like behind your stomach, let’s say. And, or maybe a little bit lower in between like your rib, the bottom of your rib cage and your belly button. Sorry, say that again.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (25:26.127)
So you’re…

Leigh Ann Lindsey (25:33.231)
That’s okay. And so the premise though is if we’re stimulating all of these superficial lymph nodes, that’s nice, but it’s not, that’s only half the puzzle. If we’re just opening up superficial lymph, pushing all of that into our deep lymph, and then we’re not actually opening up our deep lymph, we’re just creating more of a traffic jam in a different place.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (25:38.543)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (25:49.445)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (25:53.145)
Yeah, like, and some people can feel way worse just from sometimes I had one girl flair from and you can flair from anything when you have chronic illness. So I’m not but like she just started pumping her like, you know, the big six lymph nodes and because she was so jammed, she went into the full anxiety and she wasn’t having that before. Right. So like, again, I think if she had teased her chest, like we do like above and below the collarbone, we do what’s called the the collarbone you’re searching under your collarbone for tight

issue, tight little, nodules, and then you’re working on it and then you’re working the fascia here. Like we, we teach like the key points where you’re going to like tease the fascia. That’s, that’s the starting point. You use your hand and then we teach other tools and stuff like that too. But when you, if you did that and then pumped your notes, it might have more space to go. And then you wouldn’t have maybe created that, that toxicity attack as I call it, not anxiety attack.

because that’s clearly a toxicity attack. She wasn’t anxious and now she’s anxious, right?

Leigh Ann Lindsey (26:48.983)
Yeah

Leigh Ann Lindsey (26:52.853)
Yeah. Yeah. So what does that look like? There’s so many places I want to go with this. I want to get into just lifestyle habits, but how do we stimulate deep lymph? Is that something we can even do manually on our own or is that something we need a practitioner support with? And it could be a little bit of both too, but.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (26:59.205)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (27:02.81)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (27:14.509)
Yeah, so obviously a practitioner is going to be able to get even deeper. Like I’m a practitioner and I can’t open my lymph the way I taught like my colleague to or that we came up with together that we’re going to be teaching the course or that I taught my husband to do to me because sometimes you can’t reach all the spots and you can’t apply enough pressure and when it’s your own body, it’s hard to feel something sometimes, right? But

there’s always basics that you can do. Like what I’ve been showing for people that are watching on video is like, so under your collarbone, so I tell people to dissect their collarbone, so that just means cut it in half and go just below it. And there’s this thick fascia there. So this, like when I was having that anxiety and when I was having heart palpitations, I mean, you would see me, I was just digging in there up and down side to side, right? Like creating friction on my fascia.

And like that and trying to find where it’s more stuck and I would be able to sometimes it would make me belt or sometimes I just all of sudden feel this sense of calm. But I was also getting pain with my lymphedema because it was so intense. So I would feel pain over my biceps tendon is a big place pain in deep in my peck here. My boob would be kind of tingling a little and I’d have to like, cause everything gravity, right? It sits down in your, in your breast, right? So

it gets pulled down and you can feel those lymph nodes fighting there and you feel it going into your arm and then you can feel tension in your hands. You can have big indents from even like a loose elastic on your wrist and that’s like a key. And then you can feel like almost like blood flow returning because like when that lymph stretches out the skin, it puts pressure on the blood vessels too. So you don’t get great blood flow return and oxygenation to your tissue. you can, some people can even see it in their fingertips, but

Yeah, so we teach people on their own, the biggest part is again, we’re just teasing you have to put enough pressure that you feel it. This is like, you’ve got to feel like some tension, like under the skin, you got to create a little bit of redness, like you’re not just pumping gently work, we’re teasing fascia. And when you can pull that fascia side to side, you’re moving those deep lymph vessels that are underneath running right underneath your your fascial lines.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (29:30.543)
So working that deep lymph is really about working the fascia, which is a different process, right? Versus what we’re kind of talking about working the superficial lymph is more of that tapping, that gentle pressure. Working fascia is more about the friction, the back and forth.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (29:40.773)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (29:45.145)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (29:48.867)
Yeah, so there’s a lot of like, we have you like, like a breast lift too, or it’s like even lifting in your armpit and or pinching the skin like raising the skin off of the body, you’re gonna like you’re gonna affect the fascia. So if some people find it hard, because they don’t feel they’re strong enough in that hand to like be able to tease their chest, then you can try pinching, pinch and lift, right? You can try the different holds that we kind of teach that can let that stuff start to flow and

Create space, create the space that we need, yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (30:19.327)
Yeah. my gosh, it’s so, this is so exciting. It’s so critical. mean, every single cancer patient, every single really chronic illness patient I work with, the lymph is something that their practitioners are talking about at some point. Lymph support is almost always a part of the protocol.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (30:41.125)
Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (30:41.659)
And oftentimes that’s at homework like dry brushing and stuff like that, which I think now people are going to be able to do it just so much more effectively at home, especially with your course that’s really modeling what it looks like. But, and then oftentimes it does involve practitioner support, even like modalities that support the lymph as well.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (30:50.383)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (30:54.031)
Yes.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (31:01.893)
Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (31:03.373)
And so this is what I want to start to get into a little bit more. The difference, some things like, for example, just general lifestyle. What are lifestyle things we can do that support the lymph more? Like maybe it’s more walking, less sitting, some of those general things that are just like good for everyone.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (31:12.975)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (31:20.569)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (31:22.063)
But then I do want to get into more specifically for someone who’s experiencing a severe diagnosis like cancer or chronic illness, what that might look like and are there other beyond the at home stuff modalities? I’d love to hear if there’s like actual modalities and stuff.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (31:36.452)
Yeah.

Yeah, we have a lot that we can share with you there. So lifestyle stuff, mean, think of a healthy lifestyle. We want to stay hydrated, we mentioned that, but we want enough mineral balance. Our minerals are being burned through, okay? Our minerals, like, they’re the catalyst for all of these reactions. People are always taking vitamins, but minerals are always put on the wayside other than magnesium, which, you know, gained popularity, which is great because it’s so depleted, but there’s…

trace minerals, there’s macro minerals. So, you know, your mineral status, like getting those, we love to use like a mix of trace minerals and electrolytes with people. And it’s, you know, we’re finding that hijacked feeling go down if we can get your mineral status to where it’s supposed to be. So that’s number one, and it helps with the electrical status of your body. And then there’s also the circadian rhythm stuff, which, you know, is getting bigger because again, it’s helping you create that fourth phase of water, like you’re going out and you’re getting the red light.

in the morning, right? You’re getting the sunshine on your face, you’re grounding, so you’re getting some of those electrons from the earth, you’re getting a good frequency and maybe helping kick out some of those bad frequencies that we’re getting exposed to all the time because we’re in a more, there’s so much tech in our world now and our bodies really haven’t caught up to how fast tech is changing. So that’s a big deal. Like I get my little things like honestly, I have my phone on a…

on a string, like on a, like, so I’m not holding it, right? I try and hold it as away from my body as I can. I try to turn off wifi. I try to definitely turn off wifi at night, you know, and then winding down with the sun, making sure you don’t have your lights on above head stimulating cortisol at night because now we want, you know, we’re big, like we want to be in a relaxed state where at night our glymphatic system can turn on.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (33:26.305)
and clean out our brain and that’s when our lymph is really trying to do its job. And that’s why some people and some of the symptoms of lymph come at night when you’re like popping awake because like your lymph isn’t clearing in the middle of the night and you’re feeling, so our sleep aids are often binders because toxicity is waking you up and then you take a binder and it can help sop up some of those toxins. And then eating foods that…

Everyone’s different of what foods they can handle these days. know, people can be sensitive to foods, but whole foods, foods that aren’t covered in hopefully any pesticides as much as you can. You know, I tell people a lot about simple things, like they don’t know about the dirty dozen, which have way more glyphosate and all of these round up that like kill some of your good bugs and we need our good bugs to detox. Our good bugs help our lymphatics, right? Like our gut is so important.

Our gut houses 80 % of our lymphatics. Our liver makes 80 % and along with the gut, that’s 90 % is made there, right? Like that’s crazy. know, minding our gut is, you know, just eating a plethora of not eating the same thing over and over. That’s a big one. Tons of conventional dairy, very stagnating for your liver. Tons of sugar or things that are inflammatory or processed foods. It’s the same things that help a healthy life.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (34:49.39)
Yeah.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (34:49.411)
Right? Moving, stretching though, can really help. We teach stretches for each different like body part or organ that you can feel symptoms in because, you know, a lot of the times we’re forward and we’re in this position of fight or flight as opposed to like our relaxed kind of open state. So things get more compressed. So, you know, actively taking deep breaths, opening our shoulders like…

you know, we’re always like crunched in like this, right? Or we’re on our phone, we’re down, we’re in, and we have to open. So yeah, that’s a big thing for just daily life that can help you slowly creep out of, you know, these patterns that can help.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (35:27.085)
Yeah, I love it. Now, if we are talking about someone with cancer or chronic illness, what could I, obviously this is not medical advice, we’re just giving options that they can then talk with their practitioner about, but what might that look like? Like for a cancer patient who you were like, okay, if you could do this in a day and then here’s some other really amazing modalities, treatments, et cetera.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (35:40.901)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (35:52.997)
Well, okay, obviously there’s, we have the first level, which is the manual clearing that I was trying to show, you know, but it’s kind of limited. There’s different, you know, everyone’s seen cupping and Gua Sha, like cupping lifts the fascia, right? So if you suction with a cup, and I’m just showing like with a squeeze cup, and you squeeze and you drag this,

Right? So say you want to clear your breast, you can clear up your armpit, the back of your shoulder, the top of your shoulder, your chest, you can use that. We get people to use castor oil because it helps to move. It helps. It’s anti-inflammatory. If you put it over organs, it helps smooth muscle move. So we get people to use it over their gut or over their liver to help. Your liver is going to be part of every disease process. So putting that over your liver and then using a cup.

over the ribs over your liver, it’s gonna help. If you hear that gurgle start to happen in your liver and you know you’ve dumped some bile and you’ve released some sludge in there, like you’re doing yourself a favor for any disease process that is in existence, right? You’re helping your lymphatics when you’re helping your liver, 100%. So our first level is like castor oil and then we go into different herbs that you can mix with those that the castor oil can drive a little deeper that helps to release things and smooth things out even more.

I know a lot of breast cancer survivors that with scar tissue, they use a lot of pokeweed. Pokeweed is a potent scar, breaks down scar tissue, breaks up that waste. we’re not, whenever our cells lose control and we’re not doing everything smoothly like apoptosis is when we get rid of these cells and we clean them out, there’s stagnation there. You can guarantee it. If there’s good blood flow there.

If your immune system can get there, we’re not gonna create these cancers in the first place. It’s not gonna get the chance to turn into a tumor, right? We’re gonna soften things up. And I had firsthand tons of lumps in my breast for a lot of my adult life, which I have zero now from working on my lymph. So those are the ones that can turn into cancers, right? That if left unchecked. Some other tools, so I showed the cup.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (38:08.493)
I mean, any vibration tool can be your best friend. Vibration or percussion. Okay, so this is a little cheap hand massager or percussing tool, right? That you could use like on certain areas. There’s little vibration tools that you can create some pressure with. So a little vibration and then you can create friction with vibration. That’s gonna help move and we show how to clear from these different areas, right?

That’s a huge thing that we teach. And those are like very low level, not expensive things. Other therapies that you can do, like I mentioned, the ELT, which is the light therapy where they use the static electricity to kind of, and the light to move the lymph. There’s, I’m missing key things, PEMF mats, there’s red light. How did I forget my favorite thing?

Leigh Ann Lindsey (38:55.023)
Thank you.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (39:06.467)
Red light helped me so much. We have this one like electrical cup that gives off red light as well. And any amount, even when it’s not super powerful, but this cup can like suction onto you and you can, these cups, when you’re not good at using your hands, they are powerful. They could make me go from a not so good day to like a better day or a terrible day to a livable day when I use these on certain parts when I couldn’t have somebody to treat me like manual therapy.

helped me get through a lot, a lot of my Lyme symptoms. Like I don’t know, I feel bad for people who suffer in that pain without any kind of way to get out of it on a daily basis other than if they’re trying painkillers or something, it doesn’t even touch it.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (39:48.407)
Yeah. Okay, what is the name of that? It’s like the suction cup with the red light. Okay.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (39:54.391)
Yeah, that one’s called the Revo. But I mean, it’s so simple. They’re on Amazon. They’re not super expensive. Again, they suction quite hard. So you just have to be careful and there’s different levels of it. So one of them does this like actual pumping motion. So it’ll suck and then it’ll release suck, release, suck, release. That is so great. That’s safe. When it’s doing that motion that’s safe to put in these places. When it’s just sucking, it’s more on the back.

If someone puts it on your spine, you know, you could do like over your hips and stuff like that. And it’ll be helpful, but not kind of over your organs when it’s really sucking hard. But if it’s doing the pumping where it releases and then pumps, that’s safe to put in other areas. Like I’ll put it over where my ribs are, where your liver is under the right side. And it would help me get all those gurgles when I know my liver released a lot of waste and I would just like feel the color come back to my face. It’s such a

crazy feeling. I use a lot of frequencies too. So right here, this is called the infopathy. But it’s a it’s you plug it in your computer and there’s a bunch of frequencies and you can wear it as PEMF like and there’s a lymphatic setting, you can listen to sound sound frequency or binaural beats that are specific to help the lymph move. Right? There’s so much so much you can do.

I’m trying to think of other tools that I haven’t that are bigger. There’s the some people like it’s you know those machines that blow up and pump. I’m blanking on the name right now.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (41:30.019)
Yeah, I know exactly. Well, we have, so my private practice is inside of like a holistic health center. So we have, they’re called the Balancer Pro pants that like slowly fill up and you can wear the pants, you can wear the kind of vest to help the lymph move.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (41:37.53)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (41:41.359)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (41:48.065)
Mm-hmm. I remember the one that I’ve used is called Flo Presso, but here’s my warning for all of those. Think about what I just said. You need to create space and open up here. So now all of a sudden your legs are being pumped and your arms are being pumped, but where is it all trying to clear? So we got to open up and use some of those techniques first. I went in there the first time, not thinking this, you know, I’m sick and I felt like I was going to jump out of there. I was puffed because it…

it couldn’t clear. we got, we just got to open up those areas and they, they have their vibrator that has like, it’s kind of too wobbly of a head for me. That’s why like this one, you can like press and create some pressure. Like that’s what we need for like the deeper lymph. But for some, even just like holding the, any vibration there for people that don’t know these techniques can help a little bit. But again, we’re more of the teasing with the, yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (42:42.859)
Yeah, this, mean, this is why I think really getting your workshop is going to be so powerful because there’s a lot of visual demonstration. There’s a lot of just being able.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (42:50.67)
I know, yes, there’s tons.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (42:53.003)
And so I think people having those resources is just going to be so powerful. A couple of things I heard you mention in another podcast were lymph creams. I want to ask more about the red light. Specifically, it like laying on a, for example, we have full body red light beds here. We also have like panels that can go on specific places. Is full body red light great or is it more you want to have it on specific areas?

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (43:18.895)
So red light full body is great when you can handle it. I have people that are so sick that can’t go in there without flaring. And sometimes they have to start off with just like a few minutes of red light because it activates your mitochondria. You start dumping toxins. So you just have to grade yourself on everything. With everything, I’m just like, you know, start low. So when you go, we use a lot of like, we have a panel, we use a lot called FlexBeam because it’s…

it’s malleable, like you can move it on different parts. It’s three panels of intense red light. There’s three levels and you can place it over your chest back your shoulders. For me, it was so helpful because a lot of my problems and like I woke up like, like in the middle of the night and I was like wired and I would put that on my chest and it helps move your lymph and I would, you know, work on my lymph, calm myself down, take a binder and be able to go back to sleep like

I would probably be stuck in that state all night if I didn’t have these tools to use. So that’s why those are beneficial. You can do the same with those little square panels, like they’re just less comfortable. But I have panels as well as that. And I love red light beds, especially for my healthier patients that can start right away and then when you work up and you can get in there. know, Lyme patients are different than cancer patients. Cancer patients often didn’t feel a thing.

They don’t have jump out of your skin anxiety a lot of the time. They have nothing but they felt a lump, you know? It’s like completely different mechanisms. It’s completely different hijacking of the nervous system that happens with like Lyme and co-infections and all of these other stealth infections than it is to have a cancer patient. So cancer patients can usually really handle going into a bed right away. They’re not like these very highly reactive mast cell activation histamine.

How did I not mention histamine for slowing down your lymphatics? I don’t know, but that gets turned on with all of the waste. There’s a lot to go over in a small amount of time.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (45:17.815)
I know, I know. Well, to that end, I’ve been a part of an integrative cancer center. I’ve never worked with a cancer patient who didn’t have multiple contributing factors. We’ve never worked with a cancer patient who didn’t have parasites. There’s usually something that I can’t completely explain.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (45:28.602)
You know.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (45:32.313)
No, but they don’t always present like a Lyme patient that’s like hijacked, right?

Leigh Ann Lindsey (45:37.263)
like mast cell activation, that is the extreme, extreme level of hyperinflammatory, hyperimmune hijacking. And yet that’s not so common. Most people can tolerate a minimum amount of these things, so completely.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (45:46.597)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (45:53.027)
Yeah, it’s just, I definitely agree that those things are all present. It just seems they be more localized sometimes in those people or they’re more resilient with their detox in certain areas and not, right? Like I don’t know, but I’ve worked with cancer patients and you know, they’re like, I’m fine, but I had this lump and like, I’m not saying they didn’t have underlying things because I have patients who are completely healthy who have a huge toxic load. So it’s something that happens in the nerve, this switch where, no, actually I know what happens.

I see what happens. We have lots of people go for live blood cells. So we don’t do them, but we outsource to these amazing people that are able to identify a lot of things. And what I see in the people who have the mast cell activation, severe Lyme type of thing is their immune system has shut down. So you can see the immune cells in a live blood cell and they’re usually going in and they’re reaching in and cleaning up the area.

when it’s a cancer patient, if they take blood close to where the tumor is, then that’s when you see that. But the rest of their body seems to be doing a lot of the times this cleaning. So it’s like more focal or something. I’m just throwing stuff out there right now.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (47:04.835)
Yeah, yeah, no, I totally agree with what you’re saying. I want to lean in, I want to ask another follow-up question on the binders. Again, this could be different for everyone, but there’s so many types of binders out there. When you’re doing lymph work specifically, like when you mentioned I might wake up in the middle of the night and I have that anxiety, I take a binder, or just before I start doing lymph work, I take a binder to support the detox.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (47:28.069)
Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (47:30.177)
Are there particular binders that you find work better? Do you like a broad spectrum binder?

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (47:35.109)
Yeah, so I work mostly with like humic and fulvics, but I work with specific clays. Activated charcoal will be for someone who just can’t handle something. We do a lot of discovery when it comes to binders. We see what people can handle, okay? And at different points also based on testing of what your toxic load is. But if you’re doing general lymph clearing, something like I use biotoxin binder a lot.

cell cores binders and it’s got a few, you know, binders, but it also has things that support detox and it seems to be like a very, very

Leigh Ann Lindsey (48:14.905)
generally kind of tolerable.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (48:16.567)
generally tolerable binder and it’s broad spectrum. But we cycle through different ones and we just say whatever binder you have when you’re doing lymph work or if you’re doing more general than the biotoxin. again, I can go into binders like a whole other episode because I literally,

Leigh Ann Lindsey (48:34.191)
Totally. Well, there’s so much nuance to every single thing. Like right now, for example, I’m working with a practitioner on mold detox and she is so hyper specific. We did a mold panel. She’s like, you have these six mycotoxins. And she gave me almost a binder for each one because each one

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (48:53.263)
Yeah, because different one binds up different ones. Biotoxin binder does not get ochratoxin, right? Like activated charcoal we use for specific mold toxins. And again, how did I not mention mold for the lymphatics, right? And how did I not mention mold if we talk about histamine, because that’s what throws it over, right? But mold and mycotoxins are very stagnating for your liver bile, for your lymphatics. And they’re often one of the things that are a catalyst for turning on

Leigh Ann Lindsey (48:56.353)
and my quick. Yes.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (49:22.723)
sometimes hidden or remission line that was in remission. And same with different viral loads can do that. But again, there’s different binders that can help bind up viruses better. There’s different binders that can help bind up mold better. There’s different ones that are better for environmental toxins. you know, just, yeah, cycling through them usually is what we kind of do.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (49:46.977)
Yeah, and that’s where you work with your practitioner and go, hey, I want to bring in a binder for my lymph work. You also know more of my health history and my specific toxic burden. Can you suggest a good binder? The reality is, I think most listeners probably already have some binders from their practitioners that they’re working with anyway. okay, a couple other follow ups. So I have a vibration plate at home, which I actually really love. It helps me kind of wake up in the morning even, just sort of like wakes me up.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (49:50.221)
Yes.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (50:02.391)
Yeah.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (50:14.373)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (50:16.971)
So how could I use that more effectively? Is that doing some of this fascia work before I get on it or maybe even while I’m on it doing that?

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (50:23.107)
Yeah. Even while you’re on it, like honestly, just, you know, rubbing under below and above your collarbone, both sides, start with the left because obviously that’s clearing most of your body and the vibration plate is vibrating all the way from your legs to your every fiber of your body. Right. So opening that you can, you know, rub your neck a bit. I’ve, you know, you can even stretch on it, like we have one foot up and go into like a warrior position, like just

different positions that you can go into to help stretch while you’re doing it. Cause that’s also a component of what we teach, or like I said, different stretches. And if you’re stretching with vibration and you’ve already opened up your lymphatics, then you’re definitely gonna get more benefit from it for sure.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (51:08.333)
Yeah, it sounds like the, mean really what this is is like opening up, but opening up that deep, that deep glimpse through the fascia work. It’s really kind of important.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (51:16.367)
Yeah, like you’re creating space, you’re creating a vacuum, you’re creating an openness all around that area by affecting your fascia. that’s, and you’re gonna help things to be able to clear much more effectively than just pumping.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (51:28.333)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep.

Last thing I wanted to really lean on, because I heard you mention this in another episode, you talked about how for patients who are very, very sensitive, like those mast cell patients, those Lyme patients who really can’t handle protocols, and every now and then I’ll get a client who talks about experiencing this, they couldn’t handle the detox protocol their doctor gave them. I will mention to them a lot about the nervous system and sometimes supporting the nervous system is what can allow them to start to tolerate more, but you mentioned

supporting the lymphatic system, think in this much more nuanced, comprehensive way, you’ve seen that allow patients who couldn’t tolerate protocols to now be able to tolerate things.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (52:15.427)
Yeah, you know, we’ve had people there from we’re working with them like in like telehealth and we finally get our hands on them and they’ve been to multiple practitioners, including us, they can’t handle our protocols. We tried micro dosing, we tried every we tried homeopathics even like a drop of a homeopathic watered down like and they’re still reacting right there. hyper reactive, they’re, they’re getting more swollen from like the tiny little thing and then if we get

deep and we’re working on their ribs, we’re working on their whole body. I mean, that’s getting them over the hump where then they can start taking things and they can start clearing toxins for the first time in all of the treatment plans that they’ve done. And we were even in shock and awe when we’ve seen those people respond so well.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (53:04.909)
Yeah, that was just so powerful because I, like I said, I see that every now and then and it can feel like such a catch 22 for those patients where they’re like, I know I need to do this detox, but I can’t seem to be able to do it. And so they’re kind of like stuck in this weird limbo of like, so how do I ever get through this? And this lymphatic piece feels very, very important. And I also think paired with some of that like really deep nervous system support, both of those together.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (53:31.863)
I totally, I totally agree. you know, like some things that I’ve been seeing also are like potent things that lower inflammation in like a more targeted way, like helping to control that while working on the nervous system, while working on the, the, deep lymph, you know, we’re seeing people get over homes that maybe we were nervous, weren’t going to at all just based on their history and, and just seeing that has been really.

quite powerful.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (54:03.695)
Oh my goodness. Well, Dr. Steph, this has been amazing. I’m so excited for my audience to be able to listen because I think it really is going to help them take some of their care to the next level. Like I said, know lymphatic support is something that’s a part of everyone I work with, their protocol to some extent. So to be able to have, think, just a much more nuanced understanding of it is really going to be such a game changer. So can you tell people, first of all, where can they find you? Where can they learn more? Tell us about the lymphatic

FADEC course when that will be available where people can find that and I’ll make sure it’s all linked in the show notes as well.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (54:39.477)
Yeah, we were hoping last year, not last year or a few months ago to have the lymph course out. And that’s why we started talking about it more. But now we will really have it out in the next few months. So keep an eye out for that. But we have some small videos based on the stuff that I talked about on our YouTube channel. So we show some of the basic stuff, but we are going to be even adding some small little clips from the content.

very soon in the shorts to all of that lymphatic section. Vegas Clinic we have at Vegas Clinic for one of our Instagrams and then my personal Instagram is at drscandisferro. That’s my first initial and my last name. And then we also have our website at www.vegasclinic.com. So you can search for us there. We will have this course out for you. We wanted to make sure it was…

everything that we talked about to, you know, we wanted to bring together all of these different tools that I talked about in a usable way at home, where you can work through an actual protocol for whatever symptom you’re trying to work through without having to sit through the entire course, or you can do all of the course like we did, we have a whole theory part, we have the practical part, we have the practical part with tools, plus we have the stretches. And when you combine all of them, that’s when we see people get the most benefit.

Leigh Ann Lindsey (56:03.853)
Yeah, I love it. Well, thank you so, so much, Dr. Steph.

Dr. Stephanie Canestraro (56:07.855)
Thank you for having me. This was really great.