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The Accrescent Podcast Ep. 135. Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy - My Patient Journey, EVOX Therapy & Why Emotional Work is Vital for Cancer Patients


Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy – My Patient Journey, EVOX Therapy & Why Emotional Work is Vital for Cancer Patients


Episode Summary

She’s here! I am thrilled to have Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy on the show today! I share a bit of my journey as a patient of Dr. Connealy’s at the Cancer Center for Healing and we dive deep into the immense impact EVOX Therapy had in my healing journey.

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Leigh Ann Lindsey: Welcome to The Accrescent Podcast. I’m Leigh Ann. This podcast is an extension of my personal philosophy and commitment to continual growth in all areas of life. I firmly believe that optimal health comes from addressing all areas of us as human beings, physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual health.

Through expert interviews, I hope to both inspire and enable you to create sustained change in your own life. Thank you so much for tuning in and enjoy.

Welcome back to The Accrescent Podcast. I’m your host, Leigh Ann, and today is such a special, special conversation with a human who has had an immense impact worldwide, but an immense impact in my own personal life. This is Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy for those who don’t know, we get in a little bit more to my story of being a breast cancer patient at the Cancer Center for Healing here in Orange County, California with Dr. Connealy as my main practitioner. And we go a little bit through my story, some of the key points that we both felt were worth highlighting, but then we spent a lot of time talking about just how important the emotional side to. To someone’s cancer journey is not just getting support through the thick of a cancer treatment to help us through that present day trauma, that stress, that dysregulation, but also how unresolved trauma and repressed emotions might even be an underlying contributing factor to the cancer in the first place.

I’m so excited about this. I have been wanting to have Dr. Connealy for three years, since I was a patient there in 2020. And she is such a busy gal. And of course, you know, I was in the thick of treatments, so I wasn’t gonna reach out in the middle of my own treatments. But I’m so ecstatic to have her on now.

And what I’m so excited about is I listen to so much of the interviews, so many of the interviews that she does, I follow her page. And a lot of the content around cancer is very focused on. Cancer diets, cancer tests, cancer treatments, and that information is so important and so needed. However, I think the conversation around the emotional component to cancer in terms of a root cause, how that emotional turbulence might have contributed to that cancer, to the dis-ease within our body.

I don’t think it’s something that’s talked about very often. And I do think for any of you who are a big fan of Dr. Connealy, you follow her. You listen to her content. This is gonna be an interview you have never heard her do before. I think oftentimes guests or or shows wanna hear similar things from her because she’s such a wealth of knowledge on cancer tests and on cancer treatments.

But I’m so excited because I really do think this is a conversation with Dr. Neely that no one has heard before. And so I’m. Really ecstatic to be able to share her lens. Um, my story as a breast cancer patient at 25, but also the emotional component as well. And I just have to say one more. Huge thank you to Dr. Connealy and her whole team at the Cancer Center. One for the amazing care I received while I was there, but two, because I was just on her show cancer conversations this last Tuesday as her guest. Which was really fun to also get to share my story a bit there and chat, but both of these conversations are very different.

So if you did join that live call, this is gonna be a very different, I think, much more in depth conversation, just because time allowed for us to go a little bit deeper today. Thank you all for being here. Please, if you find this episode supportive, expansive, educational, consider sharing with a friend. A family member, a loved one, someone who could really benefit from this information.

The last thing I’ll say is check the show notes for this episode, because there are gonna be a lot of resources. I have recorded a couple previous podcast episodes on my cancer journey, some of the really specific tests and treatments I was doing at the cancer center. I’ve also since recorded some other episodes with some amazing guests talking about cancer from a few different lenses.

So definitely, definitely check the show notes. There’s a lot more resources and information there for any who want to dive even deeper into my story and continue. Collecting additional resources and information around the cancer conversation. So with that, please enjoy this interview with Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy

well, Dr. Connealy, welcome to The Accrescent Podcast. This has been a long time in coming because as you know, our journey, our connection together goes back to 2020 when we first met. But thank you so much for coming on. I have just been so, so eager to be able to have you on and share my journey and get your perspective.

So thank you for being here. Yeah,


Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: it’s been wonderful. With the, what I thought was so fascinating is you are a young person and we think young people don’t have anything wrong, and so we take that for granted in our society and so I thought it was so wonderful to explore what, where, when, and how.

This all came about for you? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And, and that’s what, you know, I always say tell people things just don’t happen. There is a lot that took place before something

Leigh Ann Lindsey: happens. Yes. It wasn’t just one day, nothing was there. All of a sudden the next day something is there. Right? Absolutely. So, like I prefaced, even before we got on air, I’m gonna share a little bit of my story and as we’re going through it, We’re gonna touch in on specific points and really get your perspective on it.

But to take us all back to the beginning. Yes. And especially for those who don’t know, cuz I imagine there’ll be many who are new to my story. It was fall of 2019 when I woke up in the middle of the night with blinding pain in my right breast, which was, that in and of itself was so bizarre to wake up.

Something is so painful, it’s waking you up in the middle of the night in deep sleep. And I think within a few weeks I had gone to see my general practitioner and she basically did a 32nd palpation and she was like, you know what? It’s probably your gallbladder, so. You’re fine, you’re young, go on, have a nice life.

See you later. And I can’t tell you what it was, but something inside me, my intuition was like, you need to get this checked out. Which that in and of itself was really unique because I’m, when it comes to health, I’m more like, oh, do I really need to get in? I tend to push things off. Something in me was like, this is urgent.

Don’t let this slide, don’t let this go for a few months, or weeks or years. And at the same time, something inside of me was saying, don’t get a mammogram. Go get an ultrasound. And mind you, I don’t know anything about breast cancer. And so, yeah. So

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: why don’t you tell the listeners how old you were at the


Leigh Ann Lindsey: I was 25. 25. I was 25. Nothing, knew nothing about breast cancer other than just the most basic, basic things. And again, by chance, my intuition was like, go get an ultrasound. I found an amazing person in LA called Sono Scene that was this really unique type of ultrasound. Yes. And we managed to find a two millimeter lump.

Okay. Which at the time she had said this would not have shown up on a mammogram, which I think is really fascinating. And I’d love to touch on a little bit as well, the difference between mammo and ultrasound. Right. And in my case, particularly because I had really dense breast tissue and it was such a small lump.

That ultrasound, I don’t think it would’ve shown up on a mammogram. What do you think? Yeah, so

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: that’s a good, good point. Mammogram is the standard of care. Mm-hmm. Um, for a long, long time, mammograms are 343 millis of radiation compared to a chest x-ray, which is just one. And so mammograms will miss about 50% of pathology.

So I always tell patients, We won’t just rely on a mammogram. So here we use mammogram, ultrasound, and thermography, and they give you all three different things. And more importantly, there is no imaging for young people. Mm. Unless you feel something, that’s the only reason. Otherwise, you don’t really start getting mammograms until you’re about 40, give or take.

Right. So there’s no real good imaging. And I say, well now today’s world, we gotta be checking people. In their twenties now. Mm-hmm. And do some, you know, I prefer to do ultrasound and thermography because mammograms, because it has radiation, it can be a useful clinical tool, but we don’t wanna over mammogram our young people.

Yes, yes. And so, uh, so you know, it’s, it’s interesting cuz I had a patient today who came to see us and she had her child about five years ago. And she felt some tenderness in her breast. So they had recommended to her to get a mammogram. She gets a mammogram and they go, oh, you have a 3.3 area of calcification.

Well, she came here, so she came here to get a good workup of like, what’s going on with her whole body. So we did a whole workup. We did a liquid biopsy. It showed nothing. We did bioenergetic testing. And she needed to do some action items there, cleansing and so forth. And, um, so then her, her gut was, no, I should not get this biopsy.

Hmm. Her intuition, which we now know is intuition is a scientific process. It’s a knowing. It’s a knowing process. Yeah. Exactly. And people always go, oh, you, you don’t think that, that’s just hogwash. Well, no, always pay attention to what your intuition, or what they call the gut is telling you. Mm-hmm. So anyway, she comes in today because she decided to get it re mammogram, but we had ordered an ultrasound.

Mm-hmm. Well, guess what? Her mammogram showed nothing was abnormal. Yeah. And she had a few cyst. On the ultrasound, but the good news is the doctor said, no, you don’t need a biopsy. Mm-hmm. So here we are. She was so scared two years ago and they told her you need a biopsy. And all of a sudden now it’s opposite information.

So I think that’s why medicine has to be way more, way more complex than just relying on mammography or any one imaging. We have to do a comprehensive assessment. Using these tools of mammogram, ultrasound, and thermography. Believe it or not, thermography started in 1956. Mm-hmm. So it’s been around for It’s not new.

It’s not new. Exactly. So, um, so I, I think this whole breast imaging, cuz cancer breast cancer’s number one, and it doesn’t matter now how old you are for cancer at all, and one in two people are getting cancer. And what I’ve seen in the last probably three years, an exponential increase. In cancers in general.

Mm. So I always make sure when I see a patient look, let’s just make sure it’s nothing, everything that Right. Because like you said, you had this like unbelievable sharp pain, which is really like, how could this even happen? Yeah. Like, like your body was talking big. Yeah. Big, big, big. So anyway, um, I just think you have to really partner with the doctor.

Who’s gonna really go down every rabbit hole to make sure, because like your first doctor, what I find is patients go to their doctor and they go, oh, you’re too young. You don’t have anything. Yes. Oh no. It can’t be that. No, no, no. You know, they don’t work up the patient. Yeah. But we need to verify there’s nothing wrong.

And in our world of integrative functional medicine, We have our ways, and those ways are growing by the day, by the way. Mm-hmm. You know, I mean, like, yeah. Like so much. Gosh. Testing

Leigh Ann Lindsey: my gosh. It’s, gosh, the, the modalities you have here versus even just three years ago Exactly when I was here. You’ve expanded so much, even just in that short

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: time.

Yes, and it’s like, it, I mean, every day I’m like, oh my God. I was listening to a lecture, I was listening for two minutes. I’m like, oh my God, another new thing I need. So it is, but. It’s fine tuning like to the atomic. Yeah. You know the bioindividuality

Leigh Ann Lindsey: e Exactly.

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: Of it. Yeah. So anyway, so I want you to continue with your story because it’s so fascinating.

Yeah. So go on and

Leigh Ann Lindsey: well, and there’s a couple points I wanna make to, I. The testing and treatment and really highlight a couple things there. So of course I come in, I have a consult with

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: you. No, but before that, why don’t you go in before that? Because you had a feeling when the first place you went, you said, you know, I just don’t feel comfortable with this.

Leigh Ann Lindsey: So that was the surgeon? Yes. That was the first surgeon. Yeah. That was after, actually, after I had met you, I went to the surgeon. So we had done our initial consult, right? Right away I jumped in with testing. Starting with modalities, the 21 day cleanse, R G C Blood liquid biopsy. Yeah. Doing just about every, I think treatment you had here at the time, right?

Sep, fcan and Firefly. Right. Vitamin C, all the things. And then we had said, yes, let’s do go get a biopsy. Went to an initial sur surgeon in la, did the biopsy, the original biopsy came with. They didn’t find any cancer cells. But this is, I’d love to touch on this for a second. Yes. Because even with no cancer cells found both the surgeon and you agreed.

We still need to get this out. And there’s two things I wanna touch on here, because I think for you, that decision came from, I had done thermography, I had done ultrasound, s e p, liquid biopsy and bioenergetic testing I had, I had every single red flag, right? And this is so key because again, maybe another doctor might have said, The biopsy’s clear, you’re good to go.

That happened too. See you, you know, one of my patients, you know, see you in five years or something. But because of all the intense testing we had done, you were able to go, something’s brewing, let’s not wait. Mm-hmm. And I just think that is so, so key. Long story short, I, yes. I ended up having not a great feeling with this surgeon.

I actually had gotten to the point where I was in his office about to go into surgery to have the S lump removed. They were about to put me under anesthesia. Right. And then my covid test came back and, and they basically like wrapped me up and kicked me outta there. They were like, you gotta go right now, girl.

And mind you, this was almost a full year after finding it because again, 2020, it’s the thick of covid. I, it took about a couple months even just to get an mri. So it had been delayed so long and that for me was kind of the last straw. I was like, I’m not. Meshing with this guy. It’s not fitting, it doesn’t feel good.

Ended up finding a surgeon here in Orange County through uci, who I loved, and we did end up removing

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: the lump. Right. Right. And we did do a lot of treatment, you know, also in anticipation of the surgery. Yes. Also preparing for it. Preparing for it. Mm-hmm. And so one of the most important things that I.

Always assess and address with each patient, and it doesn’t matter if they have a diagnosis of cancer or not, but is the. Emotional, mental, spiritual, I kind of, kind of put that all together. Mm-hmm. And I always ask the patients, okay, so like, let’s talk about the last 10 years. And I say 10 because from one cancer cell to tumor formation is about 10 years by the time you see it in, in conventional workup.

And so when, when you realize, when you had to ask yourself that question, I think you started really pondering like, what did go on in my life? What happened to me? Mm-hmm. And you did now a real extreme self-examination of that. And I had recommended you to do EVOX. Mm-hmm. And so when you do one EVOX, you kind of go, oh.

Whoa, who am I? I am learning some new things here about myself. Mm-hmm. And this happened today with this patient. She’s 37 years old. And I could tell her sitting there with her husband and she has this darling five year old and all this whole thing about her mammogram, you need a biopsy now. You don’t need, I mean, it just, you know, and she’s been worried for now a year and a half.

And so I told her so I could tell she is more of a nervous person. Mm-hmm. And so then I ask her, so tell me what kind of stress you’ve had. And then she went into and started crying about the delivery of her five-year-old. Oh, wow. And she started crying. Oh. And she was describing in vivid detail what happened and she was pushing and it wouldn’t, the baby wouldn’t come.

And then, you know, they had to do a C-section. She said, I went through all the doc, I mean, she wanted to run out of the hospital. I mean like all these things. So she has all this trauma still from that. Mm-hmm. And so I told her, I said, look, you know, one thing, the experiments have proven that they took dna.

And they put it in a container and that DNA n conformed to the container. Then they took that d n a out and took it out of that container. It contained the same conformity of the container. Mm-hmm. So it’s, you still have it. That’s why you and I are intertwined, we’re intra and interconnected. Mm-hmm.

Because one we’ve already had. Three, four years of togetherness in one way or another in many different ways. And so your energy and countenance travels with me. Mm-hmm. Okay. That’s why the bottom line to everything someone asked me years ago. How would you describe your practice? And we were, I was doing a hike with another doctor.

He was a doctor but not integrative. Mm-hmm. And he said, so how would you describe your medical practice? And we were in the Grand Canyon and I said that love is the medicine for everything. Hmm. And if we could just focus on that 24 7. Look how different the world would be and these experiments that I was just telling you.

So they expose that DNA to peace, love, joy, hate, and it’s a very, very distinct. Response. Mm-hmm. Measurable. A measurable, measurable response. Response. Yeah. Yes. And this is scientific fact now. Mm-hmm. And remind me, I wanna make sure you get this information. I love it. And so it’s so important not only with the patients, but with ourselves.

How are we talking to ourselves and patience. Patients don’t told goes, Dr, I remember what you told me the first time. Your cells are listening to your thoughts. Mm. Every day, every moment. Mm-hmm. And so she’ll, she’s never forgotten that. And so it’s true. And we all are living, what do they say, 85, 90% in our subconscious behavior.

Mm-hmm. So we have these recordings from in utero. Yeah, in utero, cuz we’re hearing in utero to wherever age you are now we have these recordings. You know, we’re not good enough. We’re not this, whatever the recordings are. I mean, I’m sure there’s people that have had some beautiful life experiences, but no one has a perfect journey.

No one. Mm-hmm. Okay. There’s curve balls. I call ’em curve balls and detours all the time. Mm-hmm. And we all have to learn how to handle. Whatever’s dealt with us. And yes, I don’t expect anybody to be a robot. In fact, that would not be healthy. Right? But we need to say, okay, this is happening and yes, I can have my victim moment, but then what is the message of this particular thing?

Because look, my mess has become my message. Mm-hmm. I mean, if what happened to me when my mother took a medicine, I wouldn’t have this passionate driving force to transform the future of healthcare and humanity. Same with you. Mm-hmm. If you wouldn’t have this, look what your mission is now. You wanna help people, you wanna educate, you wanna open, you wanna illuminate everything so they can see and be the best version of themselves.

Leigh Ann Lindsey: Mm-hmm. Absolutely. And I’m gonna get into, because. I don’t even know if you know the, the ripple effect. Obviously, you know, I did EVOX here. It was so impactful. It was so life-changing that I got certified, I purchased the technology. Mm-hmm Now for two years I’ve had my own EVOX practice here and it has been amazing.

I’ve even been so lucky and blessed to come back to the cancer center, cover some of your EVOX patients here when you need it. So full circle. But I am so as to your point. Make your mess your message. I am so passionate about educating and sharing on this emotional piece because there is truly endless information on these kind of testing, this cancer, testing, these cancer treatments, this cancer diet, right?

There’s so much and it’s wonderful and it is needed, and that can be so helpful. But I’d say for every thousand pieces of cancer content on the physiological side, there’s probably one. A piece of content on the emotional component and the ripple effect that it’s had on my life, even since being with you is of course starting my own practice.

And it, it really changed the trajectory of my life and my career professionally, but it has had a ripple effect on every single area of my life since then. It opened the door, and what I’ve found now doing this for two years is mm-hmm. We all have, like you said, Different detours, different curve balls, different wounds.

Mm-hmm. That might be causing turbulence inside of us. But I do think we all have two or three core, core wounds that are causing an immense amount of turbulence inside of us. And I like to say, even when I was here covering your EVOX patients, I was telling them what you’re doing out there. We’re asking the questions, what might be the physiological root causes, right.

To what I’m experiencing and with EVOX and the emotional work. I’m helping clients ask the question, what might be some emotional root causes to what I’m experiencing? And both questions are super, super important and valid.

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: That’s right. And just as important. Just as, and just as important, as quickly, as important.

Leigh Ann Lindsey: You’re right. And that’s the piece that I want to get to for me because I 1000% believe in, I’ll explain it more as we go, that the biggest factor in not just my cancer, but poor health in general, in that cancer, remember in the cancer and in. The state of my health in general was emotional because what I did is, you know, I launched my own practice, but now that I had this EVOX tool in my own hands, I was doing EVOX on myself every single week and just continuing that process of healing and working through things, and it ultimately led me to uncovering really repressed trauma that I had had no memory of.

I think because I was doing EVOX on a regular basis for about a year. I started to create such a deep sense of safety and trust within myself that my subconscious was like, I think we’re safe enough to bring this up. And ultimately what came up in the middle of 2022 in the middle of last year was repressed memories of having been sexually abused as a child.


Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: And which is, by the way, more common than not

Leigh Ann Lindsey: it one in three, right? One in three women, which just rocked me to my core. The point I really wanna make here though, is when that came up, it was like full body resonance. And of course I had, you know, there were memories that were surfacing, but I knew in, I knew instantly this is it.


Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: this is, well, your body knows everything, right? This is

Leigh Ann Lindsey: what has been causing turbulence. This is the fire that has been burning for 25, 26, 27 years now. Mm. And. I really do believe was the biggest cause for all of the dis-ease. And one of the questions that I, I, I started to look at cancer a little bit is cancer is the mind, body and spirit saying I cannot continue anymore in this way.

And whether it’s, I cannot continue anymore to have these gut infections, I cannot continue anymore with these hormone imbalances. Likewise, I can’t continue anymore in this emotional state. And I love that question. I think that’s a great question to reflect on, is whether it’s cancer or we’re just dealing with poor wellness, what might my body be saying?

I cannot continue in this way anymore. And for me, with that trauma, what came up was my body, my spirit, saying I cannot continue anymore in this intense, paralyzing fear. Mm-hmm. And this intense shame. Mm-hmm. And so that really was 2022 was the year of really working through this trauma. Every little aspect of it, the anger, the fear, the shame, the hurt, the disgust.

But what is so profound in that is I’ve never felt better physically. Mm-hmm. And I’ve never done less for my health, if that makes sense. It’s almost like right when we clear out the root causes. Being, living a vibrant life actually can be so easy. It doesn’t have to be this daily grind. Now, of course there’s, there’s like deep treatment phase and then there’s more maintenance lifestyle shifts that we can shift into.

But I think the point of that is when we have deep emotional turbulence going on in the background, day in and day out, day after day, week after week, year after year, Yeah, it’s draining our vitality. It’s draining our energy, it’s draining our resolve, and that makes everything so much harder. Mm-hmm. And then when we can clear out that root cause, like for me, I love to say 2022 was the worst year of my life and the best year of my life.

Mm-hmm. Because in clearing out that trauma, and it’s not, it’s not done, it’s ongoing. But in starting to clear out the deep seated roots of that, I also have never experienced more joy. I’ve never experienced more peace. And more alignment. It truly has positively affected every single area of my life. And I just wanna like reiterate that again and again and again because you see so many cancer patients coming in here day after day, and I do think they’re getting emotional support maybe for the state they’re in.

Hey, I just got this heavy diagnosis. I need a little bit of extra help, but I just wanna make sure people realize. How important that emotional piece is, not just to scratch the surface, get that shovel and get down deep. Right.

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: Well look at, and what I think the point you’re trying to make is the point I try to make every day.

Now, I wasn’t like that at all in the beginning. Okay. And no one talked about emotion and stress and everything 37 years ago when I started practicing. I mean, there was nothing. Okay. And it wasn’t until I was married and I started having marital problems, and then I, my, one of my staff members said, Dr.

Kelly, I think you should go see somebody. Hmm. And so that’s, and that was over 20 years ago, and it was the most life-changing thing I ever did in my whole life was to. Discover why I was in, in unrest. Mm-hmm. I didn’t know it was because by the time you go to school, go to college, go to medical school work, all you’re doing is you’re just trying to be some something.

Yeah. All right. And you don’t have time to think about yourself. And then was, wasn’t until I, well, was actually 20, now that I’m thinking about it, about 28 years ago. The emotional, I call it emotional, spiritual. Minto cuz it all is together. Yeah. I started doing my own self discovery and that’s how I found EVOX because you know, you, you, like, you, you’ve studied one thing and then you study another thing and then you’re, and then, and then your, you, you know, your horizon just opens up to this plethora of, of possibilities mm-hmm.

To help yourself. Right. And it allows you to see your brand new self in a whole new way. And so, Every visit now with every patient. Every single patient, that’s what I spend probably 80% of the visit on. Okay? Now we have people that do it or you do it, you know, of course, the structured aspect of doing EVOX, and I highly recommend anyone and everyone if you think you have nothing going on.

I promise that’s impossible. Impossible. Okay. I’m telling you, there isn’t anyone that doesn’t have an unfavorable emotional conflict. I mean, there is just no one. Okay. It’s impossible. Okay? Yeah. Um, you, that means you are a robot if you don’t have anything. And so, but I would start with any medical problem with that.

Yeah. Okay. Yes, the blood test is important. The other, all the other things that you talked about earlier, all the different ways we utilize our tools here. Absolutely. But the first and foremost thing is your emotional countenance, basically. Mm-hmm. And, uh, like you said it so beautifully, like no, it’s. It is the, well, that’s what the experiment of the DNA showed.

Mm-hmm. That were directly affected every single nanosecond. With the thoughts that we have. Yep. And that’s why we need to be in peace, love, and joy. Those are, those are the words that have the highest vibrational frequency. I don’t know if you read the book Power versus Force. Mm-hmm. Oh, okay. Then you have to read that book.

So you need to get that book. Okay. It is amazing. Power versus force, and this doctor, he’s a medical doctor, he quantified the energy of books and words and the. And the, the most powerful words are peace, love, and joy. Mm-hmm. Right. They have the highest vibrational frequency. And so, but this, this will be just another, like, you know, it’s like we’re saying the same thing, but in a different way.

Way. Yes, totally. You know? Yeah. But it just like when I read recently about the, it’s the reality of man, which is the, the paper I want you to read, because this is all. 2022 science. Mm-hmm. That

Leigh Ann Lindsey: they have figured out. Yeah. This isn’t from 1970, which by the way, there’s great stuff from there. Yeah. But this is

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: recent.

Recent and so, and showing how like, like whatever you say to me is gonna directly affect me mm-hmm. As either a positive thing or a negative thing energy in my system. Mm-hmm. So that’s why if we just are. Yeah, like I said, peaceful, loving and joyful and, and trying to, I mean, it’s impossible sometimes, you know, we do get upset and angry with people, but it needs to be temporary and rebalanced, right?

As soon as you can, right, because you’re gonna be rebalancing. The actual functionality and energy of

Leigh Ann Lindsey: yourselves. Yeah. Yeah. Two things I’ll add to that. What, what I tell to all my clients is we’re not trying to be Zen Buddha robots with no emotions, right? No. There’s no joy in that and you can’t selectively numb emotions.

If we try to numb. Anger and fear, we’re gonna numb joy too. So it’s not about never experiencing dysregulation, orea, right. But when we do the deep healing, we’re able to clear out some of the stuff from the past so that there’s much less things in our present day life that are causing disease. And likewise, because we have.

That stability and that foundation of regulation and correct safety and trust. When something does come up, we get dysregulated, but we’re able to process it and then return to calm and composure, return to peace, love and joy with so much, much quicker and with much more safety. And the second thing I wanna add to that though is cuz this is something I see very often.

We don’t wanna emotionally bypass with those. Absolutely. Let me sit in gratitude if I’m feeling down. Mm-hmm. Let me remind myself of the good that’s going on. Yes. But I call it soothing versus solving all of the emotional, spiritual, mental health work. They really, for me, fall into. Two categories. There’s things that help us soothe the turbulence, and then there’s things that help us solve the turbulence and changing our mindset to step into gratitude, to feel a little more peace, to step into joy.

Those can be very soothing and uplift our vibration, uplift our energy. But I think the point we’re both making, it doesn’t stop there. Right. Let’s soothe, let’s recenter ourself, and then let’s continue to ask the question, what caused the turbulence in the first place? Right? And let’s make sure that we’re chiseling away at that and we’re solving that so that, because my, my perspective on it is if we don’t ask those questions and if we don’t get to the emotional root cause of the dis-ease, right.

We’re just gonna need to soothe and soothe and soothe more and more and more and more. And while it’s amazing that now we have so many wonderful tools that can soothe without all these side effects, you know, there’s meditation, there’s e f T breath, there’s breath work. Yes, those are soothing and those can ground us.

Uh, you know, other than maybe like pharmaceuticals that can have a lot of side effects. But I don’t want to be dependent on my meditation practice. I wanna have a practice that helps me recenter and helps bring me clarity. But my hunch is that if we’re not doing the solving piece at some point now, now instead of five minutes a day, I need 30 minutes a day to meditate or else I’m a wreck.

And if I miss my meditation for. Three days I’m a wreck. And it’s so we become so dependent on these things. So that I think is a really critical piece of the puzzle. Right, right. Soothe and

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: solve. Yes. Yes. Because I tell patients every day, you have to set your mind so. Yeah. And you have to learn how to set it yourself.

Mm-hmm. Because we all are in the same boat. It’s the battlefield of the mind all the time, every day. I mean, tomorrow’s a new day. So whatever you’re doing today, it needs to be practiced tomorrow, but before you even wake up. The, and go to bed. But cuz I, I tell people, your day starts when you go to sleep.

So before you go to bed. Now the studies are just showing, and I just saw this in the last week, that whatever you’re thinking, Is you’re programming in your brain for sleep. So that’s why you don’t wanna watch a lot of crazy stuff before bed. Read crazy stuff, you know, all horror and strife and everything, but really say, oh, you know, I’m gonna have the most beautiful sleep tonight.

My body is going to heal and take care of me, and I’m gonna gonna be in a perfect state of homeostasis. Mm-hmm. And then when you wake up in the morning, you need to set your mind. Set your mind. Thank you, dear God, for perfect healing, perfect harmony, perfect homeostasis, and then all the things that you want to plan happen today.

Mm-hmm. And so I do that, and then I tell people during the day when I’m driving, that’s what I think about. And when I’m doing something aimlessly, I’m, that’s what I’m, I’m programming myself. Yes. Because we can get out of the lane really fast. You know, when you’re driving, we get outta the lane really fast.

Right? Yeah. So, so we need to be, I. Setting our mind because that’s how our cells are going to act and respond. Mm-hmm. And eventually it becomes you, right? In the beginning you’re like, okay, I gotta set mine, I gotta do this. And I got just like, if you were gonna play the piano, but once you start, once you learn how to play the piano, you go, oh yeah, I know all the scales.

I don’t, I don’t think about it. Or You drove over here, you didn’t go well, let me put in my program and see what it is. Well, no, cuz you know how to, you know how to drive here. Mm-hmm. So you. And you consciously subconsciously in that program you drove here. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So once you do things for probably like, I don’t know, eight weeks, it becomes you.

Mm-hmm. And you now know that and take ownership. Now, do you need tuneups? Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey: Right. I mean, can we talk about this? Yes. Because I think it’s now, especially in the world that we function in, it’s so common knowledge that, yeah, I’m coming in for my yearly checkups. I’m checking in with parasites and heavy metals and Right.

I’m checking my hormones and it’s so common knowledge to, yeah, I got my health to a good place, but I need to maintain that. And I don’t think we’re quite there yet with the emotional piece. I think it’s very much like, okay, I had a couple sessions. I worked through a hard thing. Now I never need to think about this again.

Right? It’s not like that. And I’m all about can we start to, can I start to help individuals learn how to and foster a daily emotional practice, a, an emotional, mental, spiritual lifestyle so that we don’t have buildup. We’re tuning in with these things on a regular basis. And I think most of us, we have some past stuff that we do need to clear out, some past heaviness, some past turbulence that we need to clear out, but it doesn’t stop there, right?

We clear out the past stuff, but then we also gotta go, okay, I also need to make sure present day stuff isn’t building up right. And that’s where fostering and finding and and experimenting with all these different amazing resources. Can help us find what are the emotional, mental health support tools that resonate with me and to the point you made earlier, it’s free.

It can be so easy. Of course, there’s amazing resources like EVOX therapy, like what you’re doing, like what I’m doing. But breath Work is free, meditation is free. There are thousands of videos on YouTube that are completely free. Unbelievable.

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: And you can do it. So do video frequencies. I mean, yes. It just goes on and on

Leigh Ann Lindsey: to, you can do it while you’re driving, right?

First thing in the morning. So, yes. I say that because no matter who you are, where you are, where you’re listening to this, you can start to support your emotional wellbeing today without a dollar in your pocket. That’s right. And I think that is, that’s very true.

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: Hopefully so empowering. Yeah. No, but it’s so true.

You know, because what I do sometimes I might listen to a sermon, you know, and, uh, it just depends. I have all different people. I might listen to Bruce Lipton. Mm-hmm. Because these people are, Programming you to have the best day ever. Mm-hmm. And so I, and you know, like not everybody talks about how great everything is all the time, because that is not reality.

Yeah. Okay. That’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about real life, day-to-day living. And it has to be, it has to be kind of your point of. Where you start and live and everything. I mean, honestly. Mm-hmm. This is how you need to think about it because, and I always tell people everything starts in the head and ends in the body.

Mm-hmm. So if this isn’t constantly addressed, and like you said, like cuz I’m always looking for new things all the time. Yeah. And so the immense amount, and I would say now more than ever, Leanne is the availability of meditation and music and global meditations. I mean, it can just go on and on. Mm-hmm.

So, so you’re right. And cuz like people, not everybody can afford to go to do EVOX, right. Or go see a, a really deep therapist. Um, but it starts with you being conscious of your existence just laying on the floor. Like I know every night I go in the sauna and then I stretch and then I lay on the floor.

Yeah. And I do deep breathing and I just think how my heart is full of gratitude and I usually enumerate all the things that, and focus on all the beautiful things that are happening. Mm-hmm. And, um, and I think we’re not living like that because people live through all this stuff out there that doesn’t mean anything.

Mm-hmm. And when, what really, if you really look what matters is that your, your health matters. Number one. Number two, your family health matters and then your community matters and that the community hinges on how good you are. Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey: Well, and what we’re attracting and what we’re bringing in, and I know we’re gonna reel it in here in just a second, but a piece I, you know, just like you, I love to continue learning.

So even over the last two years, I’ve done more education on, you know, courses on the neurobiology of trauma. On somatic experiencing and the somatic experience of trauma in the body. But one of the pieces and learning about the nervous system and how tr you know, unresolved trauma and repressed emotions can really hijack our nervous system.

But to the point we’re making about community and who we surround ourselves with, there’s this idea of co-regulation, which is literally That’s true. My nervous system can sense your nervous system right now. That’s right. And so when I’m around someone dysregulated. What really what it’s doing, what is dysregulation?

It’s my mind and body have sensed a threat, and so I get dysregulated and I go into a stress response to try and protect myself. Now, in modern day life, we’re getting dysregulated over things that aren’t necessarily quote unquote threats. However, if I’m sitting next to someone who’s dysregulated, my system is receiving danger signals from From that person.

That’s right. And so it’s very hard for my system not to get dysregulated

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: as well. That’s true. That’s why. When the DNA retained, its conformity of the interaction and then when it was exposed to negative things, it affected it directly. Mm-hmm. So people always say, you know, oh, my gut feeling is that person is just not something’s off.

Mm-hmm. So you, you’re right, your feeling, like you said, the energetic aspect of their cells. Yeah. And it’s dysregulating you for whatever reason. Mm-hmm. Okay. And you gotta pay attention to that. But then you also have to kind of go, okay, what do I need to do to get regulated and get my parasympathetic mode more in charge as opposed to my sympathetic

Leigh Ann Lindsey: mode?

Right. It’s twofold. First, it’s what is, what is the dysregulation within me that I might be spreading outward that I need to work on? But then am I surrounding myself with others who are dysregulated, who are not in a good place? And, and that can get nuanced because of course, I think not all of us have.

A ton of autonomy over that. Maybe my coworkers are really anxious and dysregulated, and so it’s twofold. One, are, you know, are there people chronically in my life that I maybe need to step back from in some way, and or if there are people in my life who are dysregulated that are causing turbulence within me that I can’t get away from necessarily, right.

I need to make sure when I get home I am clearing that out. That’s true. I am reestablishing safety and calm and regulation within me. On a daily basis. That’s true.

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: And one thing before we wrap up though, I think we, we, I know you’ve read about this and that’s called ACEs.

Leigh Ann Lindsey: Oh yes. The ACE scores.

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: Yes. Yes.

The Adverse Childhood Experience. And a lot of people go, you know, no, my life is really, really good. And I’m like, well, do you remember what happened to you when you were one and two? No one remembers what they happened at one and two, but the latest science shows that from in Nero to seven, Any kind of trauma you carry.

Mm-hmm. And forever. Mm-hmm. And there’s a famous book called Your Body Keeps Score. And so people always think, oh, I’m okay. They think they’re okay. Mm-hmm. But when they do EVOX, they’re always like, Oh my goodness. That is the most revelatory thing I’ve ever done in my life.

Leigh Ann Lindsey: Yes, it really is.

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: And these were the people, and these were the people that told me, oh no, I don’t need that.

Yeah. And I always tell people, no, I just want you to do it one time and then you can tell me it didn’t serve a purpose. Mm-hmm. Right. And then people realize, all people, everybody realizes. How incredibly healing the EVOX is. Yeah.

Leigh Ann Lindsey: And to that point, I think this is a great place to close. Oftentimes I’ll have people reach out, especially when they hear a little bit more of my story and how mm-hmm This, my early childhood trauma surfaced that had been absolutely repressed, silent.

And they’re like, I don’t want something to jump out at me. I don’t wanna, you know, that sounds scary. And what I have found in my own journey, but also in working with clients is. This isn’t about forcing it, it’s not about beating ourselves over the head until some deep trauma comes out. It’s about creating.

Oftentimes we start by working through some of the smaller things and creating a sense of safety and a sense of trust with me, myself, and I, and then a sense of safety and trust with the other individuals in my life. And what I have found is when we do that, if there is something more deep seated that needs to surface, it will.

But it won’t be so destabilizing because of the work that we’ve done leading up to it. Mm-hmm. And I really do believe the subconscious, number one, is only ever trying to protect us. Right. And number two, it will only reveal things to us when it knows we’re ready for it. Mm-hmm. And I absolutely know that was the case for me.

I think because of all the work I had done with EVOX leading up to it, my brain was like, you know what? We’re stable enough now inside. We’re safe enough now that I can bring this up and I know it’s not gonna crush you. And it didn’t, it was heavy. Right. And it was, it was horrible and it was hard. Mm-hmm.

But in all of that, I knew this is a hard moment. I. This is a painful moment. It’s not a painful life. Right. This is a sad moment in a

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: beautiful life. Yes. Yes. Exactly. And that’s what it is, is we have to recalibrate. It’s just like an athlete though. Yeah. Athlete goes through lots of pain before they really get good.

Yeah. Okay. So they’ve gone lots and lots and lots of hardship and injuries and God knows what, before they become this Olympic athlete. Mm-hmm. And so it’s the same thing with emotional work. It’s, it’s, it’s actually just so. I would just say, so

Leigh Ann Lindsey: relieving. Mm-hmm. Oh my gosh. Every client who leaves says, I feel so much lighter.

Yes. I feel so calm inside, and this is something I really do think is so unique to EVOX because talk therapy, it’s wonderful. I absolutely think it has a place, it can save lives. I agree. But when we’re talking about trauma inpe specifically, it causes that dysregulation and then parts of our brain shut down.

My, I don’t think is clearly, my cognition isn’t functioning the same. I get dysregulated and I can tell you I’ve had my own experience of walking out of a therapy session and you’d feel awful. You’re like, oh my gosh. But with EVOX, I really do think the biofeedback and the frequency aspect of it right, is so soothing and regulating for the nervous system.

Mm-hmm. That, you know, 19 out of 20 clients I’ll see will walk out of there going, whoa, I talked about a heavy topic and I don’t feel dysregulated, I feel so calm, I feel so at peace. I feel so much lighter. So I just think that’s, that’s an important piece of it is, yeah, I agree. Agree it’s uncomfortable and there can be heavy moments, but.

I do think there is something so unique and impactful about EVOX therapy just as a modality for emotional mental wellness.

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: Right. Well, I think what I tell people, I did therapy before and I’ve recommended patients to get therapy, but it, it was too long. Mm. And I want, yes. It takes so long to get progress too.

It takes so long. Whereas EVOX, you get better right away. Mm-hmm. And in a shorter period of time. And when you have cancer, you don’t want to. Take forever. Mm-hmm. To get well emotionally, you wanna get better today. Mm-hmm. And that is the beauty and magic of EVOX.

Leigh Ann Lindsey: Mm-hmm. Well, thank you so much. I know we could go on for three hours, right.

But I’m just so grateful. You are such a light, you talking about co-regulation, I think you spread so much joy and peace and love and it really is something that. I think we all can somatically feel. Thank you viscerally, emotionally feel from you. Thank you. So I’m just so, so grateful to have you in my life, to have you on the show


Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: Well, I’m just glad that you were part of my journey because you know, we are constantly learning and you were very young when you came to see me, and you always like, wait, I wanna understand why did this happen? Mm-hmm. Because a 25 year old shouldn’t have to be. Diagnosed with breast cancer. Mm-hmm. Right.

And so, um, but there’s always a silver lining and I always think, I always say things all work out for a higher good. Mm-hmm.

Leigh Ann Lindsey: Absolutely.

Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy: Absolutely. So in peace, love, enjoy me. And I love you.

Leigh Ann Lindsey: I love you! Thank you so much.

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